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          ACTUARIAL NUMBER THAT WE PLUG IN FOR, FOR FRINGE BENEFIT CALCULATIONS HAS ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT ON EMPLOYEES OR RETIREES. IT'S A NUMBER THAT WE PAY IN TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR SYSTEM IS FULLY FUNDED. WE HAVE IN THE PAST INTENTIONALLY, SLIGHTLY OVERFUNDED THAT NUMBER SO THAT IF THERE ARE ANY SHOCKS OR ECONOMIC ECONOMIC SETBACKS, IF THERE'S A LOSS OF INCOME WITHIN ONE OF THEIR INVESTMENTS, WE'RE NOT HIT AND OUR EMPLOYEES ARE PROTECTED. THIS YEAR, WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT. THE NUMBER THEY SENT WAS LOWER. AND SO OUR CONTRIBUTION RATE THIS YEAR WOULD DECREASE BY 1%. THAT LEAVES US STILL OVERFUNDED LEAVES US FULLY FUNDED IN THE PENSION. DOESN'T IMPACT ANY EMPLOYEE IN ANY WAY. AND DOES IT? ALL IT DOES IS CHANGE HOW MUCH WE CONTRIBUTE BASED ON SALARIES. AND OUR NUMBER WOULD DECREASE BY 1%. THAT IS INCLUDED WITHIN THIS BUDGET. THAT'S FAIRLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. THAT NUMBER IS SUPPOSED TO SHRINK EVERY YEAR. AND THIS YEAR, AGAIN, WE WERE WE WOULD HAVE BEEN OVERFUNDED BY ABOUT 2%. WE CUT THE DIFFERENCE. SO WE WILL BE OVERFUNDED BY 1%. AND AUDITOR'S OFFICE PERSONNEL. EVERYBODY WAS HAPPY WITH THAT CHANGE. AND THAT THAT AGAIN, KEEPS US OVERFUNDED MOVING FORWARD. BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO NEGLECT TO MENTION THAT BECAUSE THAT IS IT'S A BIG NUMBER. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT 950 EMPLOYEES, IT MADE ABOUT A $700,000 DIFFERENCE TO THE BUDGET. AND THAT IS BAKED INTO WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED HERE. YEAH, THAT'S JUST THAT'S A PROTECTION FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. YES, YES. 
          ABSOLUTELY. NOBODY WANTED TO CUT DOWN TO THE TTCDRS SENDS US A NUMBER. THE REQUIRED RATE. WE HAVE NEVER PAID AT THE REQUIRED RATE BECAUSE OF INTEREST RATES TAKE A HIT. OUR REQUIRED RATE MIGHT INCREASE 2 OR 3%, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO ABSORB THAT IN FUTURE YEARS. AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE AT THE WHIMS OF THE MARKET. YEAH, IT'S NICE TO HAVE ONE THING WE CAN CONTROL. IT IS NICE TO HAVE ONE THING WE CAN CONTROL AND ONE THING WE CAN CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN A LITTLE BIT OF BUFFER SO THAT THERE'S NO SHOCKS TO THE RETIREMENT SYSTEM. BUT WE ARE FULLY FUNDED IN RETIREMENT. NONE OF THAT IMPACTS ANY EMPLOYEE IN ANY WAY. 
          THEY WON'T EVER KNOW THAT THAT HAPPENED. BUT BEHIND THE SCENES, THAT IS PART OF WHAT WAS IN THE BUDGET THAT WAS PROPOSED YESTERDAY. SO I WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR BECAUSE I NEGLECTED TO MENTION THAT YESTERDAY. BEYOND THAT, I THINK WE COVERED A LOT OF GROUND YESTERDAY. THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS UP TO PRESENT TODAY. SO I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO CAPTAIN ARRIOLA AND MAKE USE OF THE TIME. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. I KNOW WE WENT OVER SOME OF THIS STUFF YESTERDAY, SO I'LL TRY NOT TO BORE YOU WITH THINGS THAT WE'VE ALREADY COVERED TOO MUCH. WE, WE HAVE SUBMITTED OUR BUDGET AND, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS SOME ISSUES. SO WE WENT IN, WE WERE REVISED QUITE A BIT OF IT. SO, THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS IN THE PAPERWORK YOU SEE THAT WE'VE EITHER TRIED TO FIND SOME FUNDS FOR AND TAKE CARE OF THIS YEAR, OR HAVE OTHERWISE JUST REMOVED FROM OUR REQUEST IN THE FIRST PLACE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON OUR BUDGET AS FAR AS OUR, OUR PERSONNEL SALARIES, WE DISCUSSED YESTERDAY THAT THE TWO POSITIONS THAT WERE ON THE JUDGE'S PRESENTATION FOR THE OPEN RECORDS CLERK AND OUR CLERK AND PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS, MUCH NEEDED POSITIONS. ORIGINALLY, I HAD ASKED FOR A LIEUTENANT'S POSITION BECAUSE ONE OF OUR LIEUTENANTS, THEIR SPAN OF CONTROL. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, 90 OR SO PEOPLE THAT THAT ANSWERS TO HIM. AND IT'S, IT'S QUITE A BIT OF WORK FOR HIM. SO I'M TRYING TO, TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF RECONFIGURING THERE. I'VE SINCE REMOVED THAT POSITION FROM THE REQUEST, BUT WHAT I AM ASKING IS TO TAKE SOME FUNDS AND THAT WOULD BE THE REQUEST WOULD BE $26,480 TO PUT WITHIN EXISTING POSITION TO, TO MAKE THAT LIEUTENANT'S POSITION OUT OF. AND THAT WAY I CAN STILL 
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GET THAT ACCOMPLISHED. OTHER THAN THAT, WE GO DOWN TO, OUR CELL PHONE ALLOWANCE. THERE'S A REQUEST THERE FOR $960 FOR THAT, THAT POTENTIAL LIEUTENANT'S POSITION. AND IF WE GO DOWN TO OUR TOOLS, EQUIPMENT, AND SUPPLIES, A LOT OF THESE HAVE A, A STANDARD REQUEST FOR INFLATIONARY REASONS. EVERYTHING COSTS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WE HAVE, OUR NORMAL REQUEST, SUCH AS OUR BALLISTIC VEST. WE'RE ASKING FOR 41 OF THOSE THIS YEAR FOR REPLACE ONES THAT ARE GETTING READY TO EXPIRE. AND THAT'S, IT'S LIKE 59,000. I CAN'T READ THE I'M SORRY, IT'S $68,860. THEN THOSE ARE NOT REALLY UNIVERSAL. THEY'RE, THEY'RE DESIGNED TO FIT THE INDIVIDUAL. CORRECT. YEAH. AND, WE, WE. YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE A DATE ON THOSE WHEN WE HAVE TO REPLACE THEM. AND THEY HAVE WENT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS AND GOTTEN REALLY EXPENSIVE. I BELIEVE THIS YEAR THEY'RE $1,460 A PIECE. SO IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE IT WAS ALREADY THAT LONG AGO THAT WE HAD THE ARPA MONEY AND WE REPLENISHED, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS WITH THAT THEN. BUT IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THAT'S MOVED THAT FAST, THAT NOW WE'RE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO HAVE THOSE TIMED OUT THAT WE JUST PURCHASED WITH THOSE DOLLARS. COMMISSIONER. I WOULD NOTE THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ITEMS WE DO BUY. 
          WE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE BUYS BALLISTIC VESTS EVERY YEAR SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO BUY FOR EVERY OFFICER, EVERY YEAR. WE BUDGET FOR THAT. NEW VESTS ARE INCLUDED WITHIN THE PROPOSED BUDGET HERE, BUT ADDITIONALLY, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF GOING OUT AND FINDING GRANT FUNDS FOR THOSE. THAT'S ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT THEY ALMOST EVERY YEAR ARE ABLE TO FIND GRANT FUNDS FOR THE BALLISTIC VESTS AND THEN USE THOSE FUNDS FOR OTHER PURPOSES WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. SO, AGAIN, YOU ALL HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OF THAT, BUT THAT THAT IS SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO KEEP EVERYBODY SAFE. YEAH. AND WE ALSO, WE, THE WAY THAT THEY DO THOSE, THEY DON'T ACTUALLY SAY THIS VEST EXPIRES ON THIS DATE. WHAT THEY DO IS THEY GIVE YOU A DATE OF MANUFACTURE AND TELL YOU THAT THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED WITHIN FIVE YEARS. AND IT'S PROBABLY A LEGALESE THING ON THEIR PART. BUT ANYWAYS, BECAUSE THERE'S THAT FIVE YEAR WINDOW, WE TYPICALLY TRY TO REPLACE THEM ON A FOUR YEAR CYCLE BECAUSE BY THE TIME WE GET THE FUNDS ACTUALLY DO EVERYTHING AS FAR AS SIZING AND ORDERING AND GET THEM TO ACTUALLY REPLACE THEM AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THERE'S THERE'S TIME ONCE THE BUDGET TAKES EFFECT THAT'S INVOLVED IN THAT. SO WE DO THEM ON A FOUR YEAR CYCLE, AND WE DO TRY TO TRY TO GET THEM FAIRLY WELL WHERE WE'RE DOING AN EQUAL AMOUNT OR PRETTY CLOSE TO IT EVERY YEAR. AND THAT WAY WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, OVERWHELMING THE COURT WITH A HUGE REQUEST FOR 120, 150 VESTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. HAVE A REQUEST IN HERE ALSO FOR A AN INSTRUCTOR SUIT, BUT I'M NOT SURE WE DO. WE WEAR THAT WE HAVE A DOCUMENT OR A HANDOUT OR SOMETHING. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO GO BY HERE. VERY COMES. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. GET THE GLASSES OUT OF THE SMALL PRINT. WE DIDN'T. OKAY, SO UNDER OUR TOOLS, EQUIPMENT AND SUPPLIES, WE ALSO HAVE A REQUEST IN FOR AN AN XP INSTRUCTOR SUIT FOR 33, 68, 45. 
          THAT'S A IT'S A RED MAN SUIT. IT'S IT'S A, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT THE INSTRUCTOR USES. 
          THEY DO IT FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. IT CAN BE DEFENSIVE TACTICS. IT CAN BE ASP BATON, IT CAN BE, AXON TASERS. ARE THOSE THE BIG PUFFY? YEAH. IT'S THAT BIG PUFFY SUIT THAT THEY WEAR. AND WE DID HAVE ONE A LONG TIME AGO. AND WE MAY STILL HAVE IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S OLD, IT'S DEGRADED. IT'S, I THINK 20 PLUS YEARS OLD AND IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE IT USED TO. 
          AND PEOPLE COME OUT OF THERE WITH A LOT OF WELTS AND EVERYTHING ON THEM, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FUNCTION THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED TO ORIGINALLY. WE ALSO HAVE A REQUEST FOR TEN AEDS, AT $20,240. THOSE ARE JUST SOME THAT WE NEED TO GET REPLACED. WE ALSO HAVE A REQUEST FOR 61 AXON TASERS. THAT REQUEST IS $128,965. YOU KNOW, WE GET THOSE ON A, ON A CONTRACT AND THE CURRENT CONTRACT IS UP. SO BASICALLY, OR IT'S SET TO BE UP AND WE LOSE ALL THE SUPPORT AND 
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EVERYTHING ELSE ON THOSE BEYOND THIS POINT. IF WE DON'T ORDER SOME MORE. THEN WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A REQUEST ALSO FOR, FOR MOBILE ID DEVICES, $9,200 FOR THE FOUR OF THEM. AND THOSE ARE BASICALLY LIKE A, A SMALL COMPUTER OUT IN THE FIELD THAT YOU CAN DO A FINGERPRINT VERIFICATION OR SOMETHING ON SOMEBODY AND IT'LL PULL UP WHAT THEIR ID IS AND SOMETHING KIND OF LIKE WHAT YOU SEE ON TV, ON SOME CRIME SCENE TECH USING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY USEFUL. WE ALSO HAVE A REQUEST FOR TWO, LASERS AT 4200 PLUS DOLLARS. 
          THE THESE LASERS ARE WHAT WE HAVE ISSUED TO OUR SWAT TEAM. AND THESE ARE JUST TRYING TO GET SOME OF THE TEAM MEMBERS THAT DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE ONE ISSUED ONE. IN OUR UNIFORM LINE ITEM, WE HAVE A $1,200, UNIFORM REQUEST AGAIN FOR THE POTENTIAL LIEUTENANT POSITION. IF WE GO DOWN TO OUR, EQUIPMENT REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE BUDGET, WE'RE ASKING FOR $2,190 FOR SOME AED REPLACEMENT BATTERIES FOR SOME CURRENT ONES THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED. WE'RE ALSO ASKING FOR, $7,300 FOR BATTERIES AND TRACKS ON OUR ROBOTS, THE ONE THAT WE SEND IN FROM OUR SWAT TEAM. 
          OVER TIME, THOSE THINGS, THEY GET TO WEAR ONE, THE BATTERIES DEGRADE. THEY DON'T LAST AS LONG AS THEY SHOULD. AND THEN THE TRACKS ALSO DEGRADE BECAUSE THEY GO OVER SOME PRETTY ROUGH MATERIAL SOMETIMES. AND WE'VE HAD THAT THING FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS NOW, AND IT'S TIME FOR THOSE TRACKS TO BE REPLACED. THEY'RE JUST EXPENSIVE. WE ALSO HAVE, SOME VARIOUS REQUESTS IN THERE FOR OUR, OUR TASERS, OUR BWC, OUR BODY WORN CAMERAS, AND, IN OUR FLEET MODULE STUFF FROM AXON. IT'S A $7,300. I'M SORRY. A LITTLE OVER $1,800 FOR THE TASERS. $37,817 FOR THE BODY WORN CAMERAS AND, $8,831 FOR THE AXON FLEET. THESE ARE ALL WARRANTIES FOR THE AXON PRODUCTS THAT WE'LL BE PURCHASING. WE ALSO HAVE A ONE IN THERE. IT'S THE SAME THING. 
          IT'S FOR THE, THE WARRANTY ON THE TASERS. AND THAT WARRANTY IS, I'M SORRY. I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S IN OUR, OUR AMMUNITION AND OUR AMMUNITION BUDGET. IT'S $83,942.76. AND THAT'S FOR, CARTRIDGES FOR THE TASERS. AND, MY UNDERSTANDING ON THOSE IS THAT IT'S A PRETTY CLOSE TO FIVE YEARS WORTH FOR THE CONTRACT. THERE'S SOME, SOME RESIDUAL ONES THAT COME IN FOR THE TRAINING AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT, IT'S A LITTLE HIGH, HONESTLY, I FEEL, AND WE ARE CURRENTLY IN CONTACT WITH THEM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS BECAUSE THAT'S NUMBERS THAT THEY GIVE US, NOT THAT WE, WE ASK FOR. SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON GETTING THAT DOWN, BUT RIGHT NOW THAT'S WHERE THAT NUMBER STANDS AS FAR AS WHAT THEY'RE REQUIRING ON THE CONTRACT FOR US TO HAVE IN ORDER TO MEET THEIR TRAINING REQUIREMENTS AND ALL THAT STUFF, IN ORDER TO HONOR THE WARRANTIES AND EVERYTHING. BUT AGAIN, WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. 
          WE ALSO HAVE SOME REQUESTS IN THERE FOR, MUNITIONS FOR OUR ALERT TRAINING AT $6,817.99. 
          SOME AMMUNITION SPECIFICALLY FOR OUR SWAT TEAM FOR THEM TO GO OUT AND PRACTICE THEIR LIVE FIRE EXERCISES AT, $16,133, PEPPER GAS CANISTERS AT $380, AMMUNITION FOR SHOTGUNS. LOOKS LIKE $620. THIS ROUTING IS KIND OF SMALL, I APOLOGIZE. ANOTHER THING THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IN OUR FEES AND SERVICES, IS VERY IMPORTANT IS WE'RE ASKING FOR, FOR FUNDS FOR COLD CASE UNIT TO COVER DNA REQUEST. AND, THAT'S, THAT'S $15,000. MIGHT BE $16,000. I BELIEVE THAT THEY 
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SAID THAT THE LAST TIME THAT WE, WE HAD TO DO THAT, IT WAS ABOUT $9,000 FOR ONE DNA TEST. SO THIS, THIS AMOUNT MAY NOT EVEN COVER TWO DNA TESTS FOR THEM TO DO, BUT IT VERY WELL COULD DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO AND EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT, IT'S, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT SOMETIMES WHENEVER THEY'RE REVIEWING A CASE TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY GO AND RUN SOME OF THIS INFORMATION AND RUN IT THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND, AND SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH. SO IT WOULD BE MONEY WELL SPENT. CAPTAIN. I KNOW Y'ALL HAD A COLD CASE, OBVIOUSLY IN THE LAST YEAR THAT MADE HEADLINES. AND I'M SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS. I'M JUST CURIOUS, DID THAT INVOLVE DNA WITH THAT CASE? I'M SEEING A LOT OF HEADS SHAKING BEHIND YOU. I DID, IT SEEMED LIKE ONE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN WRAPPED FOR A DNA COMPARISON. SO IT DID. AND AND, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, BUT THE DNA DIDN'T REALLY TELL US WHO IT WAS. IT TOLD US, IT TOLD US WHO IT WAS. WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW THE IDENTITY OF THAT PERSON. SO THERE WAS STILL A LOT OF LEGWORK THAT WENT INTO THAT TO ACTUALLY IDENTIFY WHO THAT PERSON WAS. BUT ONCE, ONCE THEY DID ALL OF THE LEGWORK AND IDENTIFIED THE SUSPECT, THEN IT CONFIRMED EXACTLY WHO SHE WAS. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          YEAH. SO, IN, IN OUR SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTIONS, WE HAVE SOME, SOME RECURRING STUFF THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE. THEN WE HAVE SOME, SOME NEW THINGS, WHICH IS, THE, THEY HAVE AN AXON PROGRAM. 
          IT'S CALLED AXON ASSISTANT. AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A COMPLIANCE SOFTWARE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT INTRIGUES US THE MOST ABOUT THIS IS, IS THAT IT HAS, IT'S RAN THROUGH YOUR BODY CAM AND IT HAS SOME TRANSLATION SOFTWARE AND STUFF LIKE THAT INVOLVED IN IT. AND SO THAT CAN ACTUALLY BE ACTIVATED IF AN OFFICER IS ON SCENE AND THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLE COMMUNICATING WITH SOMEBODY THAT THAT WILL ACTUALLY, BECAUSE IT'S MONITORING WHAT'S GOING ON AND IT CAN ACTUALLY TRANSLATE FOR YOU IN REAL TIME AS YOU'RE SPEAKING BACK AND FORTH SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE AS YOU. SO I THINK FOR THE, THE $33,247 WE'RE ASKING FOR, IT'S, THAT'S, IT'S PRETTY PHENOMENAL USE OF THE MONEY. WE ALSO HAVE A REQUEST IN THERE FOR $2,960.46 FOR SOME DRONE SOFTWARE. AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT SPECIFIC SOFTWARE TO MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT IT HELPS WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON SCENE TO BE ABLE TO PICK UP LIVE FEEDS OF EXACTLY WHAT THE DRONE IS LOOKING AT. SO WHENEVER THEY'RE TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO SOMEBODY LIKE, NO, YOU NEED TO GO OVER HERE, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY PULL THAT UP AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT THE DRONE SEEING AND WHERE IT IS THAT THEY NEED TO GO WHEN THEY'RE OUT IN THE FIELD. THERE'S ALSO SOME SOFTWARE, LOOKS LIKE $2,950 FOR THOSE MOBILE ID DEVICES THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER TO RUN THOSE. SOME SOFTWARE FOR THE, FOR THE BODY CAMS. IT'S DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED THAT ACTUALLY RUNS THE BODY CAM ITSELF AT ALMOST $4,200. AND THEN, WE HAVE $2,900 REQUESTS FOR ITS, SOME SOFTWARE THAT ARE OUR RECRUITING TEAM'S BEEN LOOKING AT FOR THEIR BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS. AND IT'S JUST A PORTAL THAT HOUSES ALL THAT STUFF AND MAKES IT EASIER FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO KEEP EVERYTHING AND SHARE THE INFORMATION AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I HAVE A QUESTION. THESE OUT HERE IN THIS OUTSIDE COLUMN, THESE ALL SAY RECURRING. ARE THESE HISTORICAL PURCHASES OR ARE THESE ALL NEW THAT'S GOING TO BE RECURRING? IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH. SOME, SOME OF IT'S, PURCHASES THAT ARE, THAT ARE ALREADY IN THERE, WHICH THE THINGS THAT SAY RECURRING THAT ARE ALREADY IN THERE ARE THE ONES THAT SHOULD HAVE THE LARGER LINE ITEM FOR THAT AND ONES THAT HAVE THE, THE INDIVIDUAL PRICES IN THERE OR THINGS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT'S NEW, THAT AREN'T INCLUDED IN THE LARGER PRICE, LIKE THE, LIKE IF YOU'RE LOOKING IN THE SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTIONS, THERE'S, THE GRAY GRAY KEY SUBSCRIPTION AND AN INCREASE IN LEXIPOL AND AN INCREASE IN POWER DMS. AND THOSE ARE SMALL 1706, 25, 280, BUT THOSE, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE 
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THINGS THAT ARE PREVIOUSLY IN THERE. THAT'S JUST A SMALL INCREASE IN, IN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. KIND OF HARD TO TELL WHAT'S EXISTING AND WHAT'S NEW REQUEST, WHY THIS IS CATEGORIZED HERE. MAYBE I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT'S SO ON THE GRAY KEY AND LEXIPOL, POWER DMS INCREASES. THAT IS AN INCREASE IN THE SOFTWARE. SO WE WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE A RECURRING EXPENSE FOR FY 28. SO THE MAJORITY OF THE SOFTWARE IS ALREADY IN THE TOP LINE OF THE RECURRING FOR THE $411,000. BUT WE WOULD NEED THE ADDITIONAL TO KEEP THE SUBSCRIPTION. AND THEN WE WOULD ALSO ASK FOR THAT IN OUR RECURRING FOR FY 28. AND THEN WITH THE ALL OF THE INCREASES ARE ALREADY IN OUR BUDGET. THIS IS JUST AN INCREASE TO KEEP THAT SOFTWARE. THE LIKE THE AXON AI ASSISTANT, THE DRONE SOFTWARE, THE DEVICES, THE AXON BODY WEARING CAMERAS, AND THE PRO FIRST. THOSE ARE ALL NEW REQUESTS. HOWEVER, IF THOSE ARE GRANTED AND WE WOULD NEED TO ASK FOR THAT IN FY 28 ALSO. THAT'S WHY THERE'S RECURRING, ON THAT OF THESE NEW REQUESTS BEING INCLUDED IN WHAT YOU'VE PROPOSED SO FAR, OR WE'RE NOT, WHERE ARE WE ON THAT? I THINK MOST OF THIS HAS TO THIS POINT IS, IS THAT FAIR? THIS IS WE TOOK THEIR NUMBERS AND INCLUDED. YES. FOR NEW EQUIPMENT. AND TO ADD ON WHAT, WHAT THEY WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTIONS TO BE ON THAT 411,913, THAT WAS LAST YEAR'S BUDGET THAT IS CARRIED FORWARD TO THIS YEAR TO KEEP, THOSE ITEMS FUNCTIONAL. AND THEN THE NEXT THREE ITEMS THAT HAVE THE WORD INCREASE AT THE BACK, THE GRAY KEY SUBSCRIPTION INCREASE LEXAPRO, INCREASE POWER, DMS INCREASE. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE ALREADY UNDER CONTRACT FOR. THOSE ARE EXISTING THINGS THAT WERE INCREASED. SO ALL OF THAT IS IN, I BELIEVE ALL OF THESE OTHER NEW ITEMS ARE IN. WE, THE, SO FROM THE AXON AI ASSISTANT DOWN, THOSE ARE CURRENTLY FUNDED IN THE BUDGET. I WILL SAY WE MORE OR LESS RAN OUT OF TIME WITH THE BUDGET COMMITTEE. AND SO WE DIDN'T DIG INTO THESE VERY DEEPLY. WE WERE FOCUSED MORE ON SOME OF THE PERSONNEL ISSUES THAT WERE, THAT WERE MORE PRESSING. AND SO. THESE HAVEN'T BEEN DISCUSSED SIGNIFICANTLY, BUT THEY ARE INCLUDED TO THIS POINT. THE, THE NEW REQUESTS ARE INCLUDED OTHER THAN THE, THE FIRST ITEM THAT CAPTAIN ARIELA MENTIONED, THE $26,000 TO RAISE A SERGEANT TO A LIEUTENANT THAT IS NOT INCLUDED. 
          AND WHAT WAS PRESENTED YESTERDAY. OKAY. SPEAKING OF PERSONNEL, YOU HAVE POSITIONS OPEN THAT HAVEN'T BEEN FILLED WHERE YOU'RE AT ON YOUR ROSTER REGARDING JAILERS AND PATROL AND, AND, WHERE ARE WE? WE HAVE OPEN POSITIONS. THE CHIEF COULD TELL YOU BETTER ON THE JAILERS. 
          THE LAST NUMBER I HEARD WAS EIGHT, OPENINGS OVER THERE. THE, THE POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE, I BELIEVE WE HAVE TWO, MAYBE THREE POSITIONS OPEN IN, IN, IN OUR PATROL. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE WORK PRETTY DILIGENTLY ON FILLING THOSE. AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME BACKGROUNDS THAT ARE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW. AND, SO IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO, WE TYPICALLY HAD, I WANT TO SAY 6 TO 8 AND SOMETIMES AS HIGH AS TEN OPENINGS IN DEPUTIES ON OUR ON PATROL SIDE. AND, BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE, YOU KNOW, MAKING OUR PAY WHERE IT'S A LOT MORE COMPETITIVE, THAT THAT NUMBER SHRUNK DRAMATICALLY. AND NOW IT'S, IT'S USUALLY AROUND THREE. JUDGE, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE MOVING THE SERGEANT TO A LIEUTENANT WAS NOT IN THERE. WHAT ABOUT THE ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT COSTS THAT HE MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO? WE WOULD HAVE, AND AND CORRECT ME IF I MISSED THIS, I THINK WE, WE WOULD HAVE PULLED OUT THAT $26,000 PLUS THE CELL PHONE ALLOWANCE FOR THAT POSITION. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE PULLED OUT ANY EQUIPMENT ASSOCIATED WITH 
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THAT POSITION. CAPTAIN, DIDN'T YOU MENTION THERE WAS THERE WAS TWO THINGS THAT I CAN REMEMBER. 
          IT WAS IT WAS A CELL PHONE ALLOWANCE AND A UNIFORM ALLOWANCE. YEAH. THE $1,200 UNIFORM ALLOWANCE. YES. AND AND THOSE THOSE WERE ORIGINALLY INCLUDED IN. BUT THEN WE REMOVED THE POSITION. SO, THEY MAY HAVE COME OUT ON THE ONE SIDE, BUT WE HAD LEFT THEM IN ON OUR REQUEST. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE, WE HAD JUST AMENDED IT, BUT IT MAY HAVE INADVERTENTLY COME OUT ON THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE WHEN WE REMOVED THE ACTUAL POSITION. WE HAVE A REQUEST IN OUR DUES CONFERENCES AND TRAINING. $1,656. IT'S A VIRTUAL ACADEMY FOR DISPATCHERS TO BE ABLE TO DO, SOME OF THEIR TRAINING ONLINE. WE HAVE SOME STANDARD, YOU KNOW, INCREASE IN COSTS IN OUR TELEPHONE BILL. AND THEN WE HAVE, $19,800 REQUESTS FOR, VERIZON WIRELESS SIM CARDS. AND THAT'S JUST TO, THOSE GO IN OR CRADLE POINTS TO, TO SHORE UP THE AREAS WHERE OUR OTHER SIM CARDS DON'T WORK, THEN THE HORIZON SHOULD WORK. SO IT'S LIKE A, I DON'T WANT TO SAY A REDUNDANCY BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOME OF THEM WORK IN SOME AREAS AND SOME OF THEM WORK IN ANOTHER. BUT IT'S TRYING TO GET US BETTER COVERAGE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. IS THAT A. SO THAT 19,800. IS THAT COMPARABLE TO WHAT IT'S BEEN IN YEARS PAST? THIS IS THIS IS A NEW REQUEST? THAT'S A NEW REQUEST. YES, SIR. THIS IS I APOLOGIZE, CAPTAIN. GO AHEAD. YOU PROBABLY KNOW MORE ABOUT IT THAN I DO, JUDGE. NO, AND I APOLOGIZE. I REALLY DIDN'T MEAN TO TALK OVER YOU. I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD IN. THIS IS A REQUEST THAT CAME PARTIALLY AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF I T THAT WHENEVER THEY MOVED THEIR, MOBILE UNITS TO A CLOUD BASED CAD SYSTEM, THEY, THEY NEEDED GREATER BANDWIDTH IN THEIR VEHICLES. AND SO WE UPGRADED THOSE VEHICLES THREE YEARS AGO AS PART OF THAT PROCESS AND HAVE HAVE BOUGHT THOSE CRADLE POINTS. AND WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT THERE ARE DEAD. WE USE AT&T AS THE PRIMARY CIRCUIT IN THOSE CRADLE POINTS FOR THE PATROL VEHICLES. AND WE HAVE FOUND THAT THEIR AT&T DEAD ZONES WHERE CARS DROP OFF THE MAP. AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THOSE CRADLE POINTS HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF FLIPPING BETWEEN TWO PROVIDERS. THIS PROVIDES A SECOND PROVIDER FOR ALL OF THE PATROL VEHICLES SO THAT THEY HAVE COVERAGE FROM VERIZON OR AT&T, WHICHEVER IS BETTER IN A GIVEN AREA. SO IT IS A NEW REQUEST, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THAT HAS BEEN THOUGHT LONG AND HARD ABOUT. AND REALLY THE RECOMMENDATION CAME SHORTLY AFTER WE ADOPTED THE BUDGET LAST YEAR FOR THIS TO BE ADOPTED, FOR ALL PATROL VEHICLES. WE'VE ALSO ALLOWED THE, THE PROPOSED BUDGET COVERS THAT. IT ALSO COVERS SIMILAR UPGRADES FOR CONSTABLE VEHICLES BECAUSE THEY SERVE PAPERS OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. WE DON'T WANT THEM. UNFORTUNATELY, PLACES WHERE AT&T COVERAGE IS MISSING ARE ALSO PLACES WHERE RADIO COVERAGE TENDS TO BE THE WEAKEST. AND WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO PHONE HOME. I UNDERSTAND, AND WE ALSO, WITH THE, THE NEWER SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE OUR OLDER SYSTEMS, WHICH WERE WATCHGUARD, OUR VIDEO SYSTEMS, THAT IS AS WE RECORDED STUFF, IT WOULD CACHE TO A SYSTEM THAT'S IN THE CAR, BUT IT DIDN'T ACTUALLY UPLOAD TO OUR SYSTEM UNTIL WE GOT BACK TO THE OFFICE AND IT HIT A CERTAIN ANTENNA, AND THEN IT WOULD DOWNLOAD WHEN IT WAS IN THE PARKING LOT. AND NOWADAYS, THE SYSTEMS THAT WE USE, THEY ACTUALLY UPLOAD IN CHUNKS OUT IN THE FIELD. SO IT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WORKS OFF OF THAT SYSTEM AND HAVING ALL THAT EXTRA GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME, IT HELPS OUT BECAUSE IF YOU, YOU GET OUT SOMEWHERE WHERE YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOSING YOUR, YOUR SERVICE. WHEN YOU DO GET BACK TO WHERE YOU HAVE SERVICE, IT'S ALSO TRYING TO CATCH UP ON UPLOADING VIDEO FOR WHATEVER CALL YOU'RE OUT ON AND STUFF LIKE THAT AS WELL. SO THE SYSTEM WORKS HARDER THAN IT USED TO. THERE'S ALSO A REQUEST IN THERE FOR $660. THOSE ARE FOR SIM CARDS FOR THE MOBILE ID DEVICES THAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, BECAUSE THEY WORK THROUGH A SIMILAR THING AS A CELL PHONE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE HAVE A ADDITIONAL FUNDS REQUEST FOR OUR TRANSPORTATION OF PRISONERS JUST BECAUSE, IT'S LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, IT COSTS MORE MONEY, ESPECIALLY WHENEVER THEY GOT TO CATCH AIRPLANE FLIGHTS AND PAYING FOR FUEL, GOING PLACES AND HOUSING THEM AND FEEDING THEM AND EVERYTHING ELSE. WHENEVER THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO TRANSPORT THE PRISONERS. AND OUR NON CAP EQUIPMENT. WE'RE ASKING FOR 11 
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MOBILE RADIOS FOR THE VEHICLES THAT ARE IN OUR REQUEST FOR THIS YEAR. THAT'S A $33,106.48. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE A PRETTY STANDARD REQUEST FOR 15 HANDHELD RADIOS. IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE VEST WHERE WE TRY TO DO A FEW EVERY YEAR INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE BY THE TIME WE GET 150 RADIOS, IT'S TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AND IT'S TIME TO REPLACE THE ORIGINAL ONES WE STARTED BUYING AND WE'LL START ALL OVER AGAIN. CAPTAIN, ON THOSE RADIOS, I WOULD REQUEST WHENEVER Y'ALL GET THOSE IN, MAKE SURE YOU RUN THE OLD ONE. IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE SURPLUS OLD RADIOS, RUN THEM THROUGH RADIO DEPARTMENT AND SEE IF THEY HAVE A USE FOR THEM. I KNOW Y'ALL TYPICALLY DO THAT. WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND SAME WITH THE MOBILE RADIOS. 
          ABSOLUTELY. THEY CAN SOMETIMES FIND A USE. I THINK EVEN SOME OF OUR FACILITIES GUYS END UP WITH 15, 20 YEAR OLD RADIOS SO THEY CAN TALK WHEN THEY'RE OUT IN THE FIELD, BUT THEY DON'T NEED QUITE THE REDUNDANCY OR CAPABILITY THAT YOU GUYS HAVE. USE THEM IN THE PRECINCTS TO THE PRECINCT. YES. WE JUST I DON'T THINK WE HIT THE REPEATERS. AND SO AND THEN APPRECIATE THAT IN OUR IN OUR CAPITAL ACCOUNT, WE HAVE OUR, OUR STANDARD REQUEST FOR, 11 FORD INTERCEPTORS. THE UP FITS FOR THOSE, THOSE INTERCEPTORS, THE AXON CAMERAS THAT GO WITH THOSE. PLUS THERE'S ALSO AN ADDITIONAL REQUEST IN HERE ON THOSE, THOSE FLEET CAMERAS TO COVER SOME VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE THAT DO NOT HAVE A CURRENT CAMERA IN THEM, BUT THEIR, THEIR TRANSPORT VEHICLES THAT ARE OVER IN OUR JAIL FLEET, BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO RECORD THINGS AS THEY'RE GOING AND STUFF LIKE THAT AS WELL. AND TO THIS POINT, WE'VE NOT HAD THEM IN THERE, WHICH IS, NOT REALLY A GOOD IDEAL. WE ALSO HAVE A REQUEST THAT WAS DISCUSSED YESTERDAY FOR A CRIME SCENE VEHICLE WITH AN UPFIT. SO THAT THAT REQUEST IS IN THERE. 
          AND THEN. WE HAVE, THE, THE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WAS BOUGHT BY THE COUNTY 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO. AND, PRECINCT ONE HAD COME OUT AND, AND TURNED IT INTO A PARKING LOT. WE'VE TAKEN, AND WE'VE ACTUALLY FENCED THAT IN, BUT IT'S ONLY A PARTIALLY DONE JOB RIGHT NOW. WE STILL NEED TO PUT SOME GATES ON IT, WHICH WE HAVE SOME, SOME REQUIREMENTS FOR THE GATES THAT MAKE THEM PRETTY EXPENSIVE BECAUSE, THEY HAVE TO DIG A TRENCH. THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO PUT SOME CONCRETE IN FOR THE GATES TO ROLL ON. THEY HAVE TO PUT SOME, SOME DEALS IN SO THAT, THEY HAVE GATE OPENERS ON THEM AND THAT THEY CAN SLIDE LIKE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO THEY'RE QUITE EXPENSIVE. BUT THERE'S A THIRD GATE ALSO THAT'S INCLUDED IN, IN THIS. AND, THAT'S JUST A KIND OF A STANDARD OPEN GATE THAT COMES IN FROM THE JAIL SIDE. THE OTHER ONES ARE FROM THE, THE STREET SIDE OF WHERE THAT PARKING LOT IS. AND SO, THOSE, THOSE THREE GATES AND ALL OF THE STUFF THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE GATES AND THEY'RE HAVING TO, TO BUILD THEM SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT OPENING AND EVERYTHING. THEY COME IN AT $37,665. THEN THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL REQUEST ON THERE FOR $11,460. AND THAT'S TO PUT ELECTRICAL SERVICE INTO THAT PARKING LOT THAT CAN CONTROL THAT, THOSE GATES. AND ALSO AT SOME POINT WE'D LIKE TO GET SOME LIGHTS IN THERE AS WELL. SO, COMMISSIONER WILLIE, YOU ASKED A FEW MINUTES AGO ABOUT ITEMS THAT WERE IN OR OUT OF THE BUDGET AND ITEMS THAT ARE NEW ITEMS. THIS ITEM IS NOT CURRENTLY INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET THAT I PRESENTED YESTERDAY. IT'S ABOUT $50,000 TO ADD THE GATES TO THAT, THAT AREA. AND I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF WAYS TO ADDRESS THAT. WE, WE CAN FUND IT, WE CAN DEFER IT AND ASK THEM TO COME BACK AND PRESENT AND DISCUSS TO BE PAID OUT OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND LATER, WHICH WE ARE FUNDING. BUT RIGHT NOW, THAT'S NOT AN INCLUDED REQUEST WITHIN THE, THE PROPOSED BUDGET. WE ALSO HAVE A REQUEST IN, WE, WE HAD A ONE VEHICLE THAT WAS TOTALED AND WE HAVE FUNDS AND WE'VE ACTUALLY PURCHASED A VEHICLE AND WE DO NOT HAVE THE FUNDS TO ACTUALLY UPFIT IT AND MAKE IT PATROL READY. SO WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE THE VEHICLE PURCHASE WITH THE INSURANCE FUNDS, AND WE'RE ASKING FOR $36,686 TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY UPFIT THAT VEHICLE THIS YEAR, ALONG WITH THE OTHER ONES, SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT PUT INTO USE. AND THEN THERE'S A REQUEST FOR $6,457.66 FOR A LIFT GATE FOR OUR, OUR CURRENT CRIME SCENE VEHICLE. 
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AND THIS LIFT GATE IS NOT, IT'S NOT ATTACHED SPECIFICALLY TO A VEHICLE. IT ATTACHES TO THE RECEIVER HITCH ON IT. SO WE COULD ACTUALLY USE IT ON THAT VEHICLE OR THE OTHER CRIME SCENE VEHICLE THAT WE WOULD GET IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE ANTICIPATING HAVING TO LOAD SOMETHING LARGE OR HEAVY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERSATILE WHERE IT CAN BE USED ON DIFFERENT VEHICLES. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ATTACHED TO JUST ONE. AND THAT APPEARS TO BE ALL OF OUR REQUESTS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION SIDE OF THE BUDGET. GOOD MORNING, JUDGE. COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING US PRESENT OUR BUDGET TODAY. I DO WANT TO START OUT BY SAYING, EVERY YEAR THAT WE'VE TAKEN SINCE WE'VE TAKEN THE JAIL BACK, Y'ALL HAVE BEEN GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO US AND PRETTY MUCH HELPED US GET THIS JAIL UP AND RUNNING THE BEST IT CAN, RUNNING AS SMOOTH AS IT CAN AND GIVEN US WHAT WE'VE NEEDED. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S LEANER YEARS. THIS MAY BE ONE OF THEM, AND I UNDERSTAND WE MAY NOT GET EVERYTHING WE'RE ASKING FOR IN THIS BUDGET THIS YEAR, BUT I DO. I WILL GO THROUGH OUR REQUEST AND, AND SHARE WITH YOU WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR. AND THEN Y'ALL CAN MAKE THAT HARD DECISION ON, ON WHAT WE, WHAT Y'ALL THINK WE CAN GET AND WHAT WE CAN'T. BUT, UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE SOME DECISIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE THIS YEAR TO KIND OF LIMIT SOME THINGS. SHOUT OUT TO AUDRA AND KRISTEN LESLIE TOO FOR WORKING SO HARD, PUTTING TOGETHER THE BUDGET. THEY MAKE US LOOK GOOD. LIKE WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING WHEN WE GO THROUGH THIS LIST. SO WE'RE THANKFUL FOR THEM FOR DOING THAT. WE'LL START OUT, LET ME GIVE AUDRA JUST A SECOND TO GET ALL THOSE PASSED OUT. YOUR LIST IS GOING TO BE JUST SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE I'M USING, BECAUSE WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND IDENTIFIED SOME SAVINGS. WE USUALLY WAIT UNTIL ABOUT THIS TIME OF THE YEAR, TO SEE IF WE CAN IDENTIFY ANY AREAS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE SAVINGS. AND THEN, THEN TRY TO IDENTIFY ANY PROJECTS THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR, FOR THIS NEW BUDGET YEAR THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF NOW. SO I'LL KIND OF SHARE SOME OF THAT WITH YOU AS I GO THROUGH IT. WE'LL START OUT BY ASKING THAT WE WERE ORIGINALLY ASKING FOR SIX, JAILER POSITIONS. UNDERSTAND? I BELIEVE THAT Y'ALL, THERE MAY BE ONE LISTED IN THE, IN THERE. 
          THAT'S WHAT'S CURRENTLY INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND FUNDED. AND I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THEM. AND THEN AGAIN, Y'ALL CAN MAKE THAT THOSE HARD DECISIONS, OBVIOUSLY. OBVIOUSLY OUR NUMBERS, OF INMATES HAVE INCREASED, AS YOU SAW YESTERDAY, Y'ALL TALKED ABOUT BEING NINE, 70, 713 OF THEM WERE COUNTY INMATES. THAT'S A BIG JUMP FROM WHAT WE STARTED WHEN WE TOOK THE JAIL BACK. IT'S COST, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO PUT THE COUNTY INMATES IN THERE VERSUS SOME OF THE OUT OF COUNTY CAN HELP OFFSET THE CHIEF. DID YOU SAY 700? MORE THAN 700 OR 713 YESTERDAY WAS COUNTY INMATES. WOW. YOU KNOW, AND THERE WERE TIMES WHEN WE WERE UNDER FIVE YEARS AGO TODAY, THAT WAS ABOUT 80, 75 OR 80 LESS, I THINK. SO THREE YEARS AGO WE WERE RUNNING IN THE YEAH, THE FOUR HUNDREDS. RIGHT NOW WE ALSO GOT TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION SUMMER IN THIS, ESPECIALLY THIS EXTRA HEAT THAT ALWAYS INCREASES THOSE NUMBERS SLIGHTLY. I CAN'T SAY IT'S A GREAT NUMBER, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS COUNT ON SUMMER INCREASING THE INMATE POPULATION, WHICH REALLY THE TOTAL THOUGH, ARE SOME OF THE LARGEST NUMBERS THAT I RECALL. YES, IT'S 970 IS UP THERE. AND, YOU KNOW, WE SAY WE CAN HOLD 1100 INMATES, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY PUT 1100 INMATES IN THERE DUE TO CLASSIFICATION OF INMATES. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT MINIMUM MEDIUM AND MAX, AND YOU CAN PUT MINIMUM AND MEDIUM TOGETHER. YOU COULD PUT MINIMUM, BUT YOU CAN'T PUT MINIMUM. AND MAX, YOU CAN PUT MEDIUM AND MAX TOGETHER. SO JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE 1100 BEDS DOESN'T, DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE 1100 INMATES. AND NOR PROBABLY WOULD YOU, BECAUSE IT CREATES AN AREA THAT WHEN JAIL STANDARDS, Y'ALL KNOW, COME INTO CONSIDERATION, HOW DOES THIS INCREASE OF LOCAL IMPACT OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE, THE MARSHAL, WITH THE, WITH THE FEDERAL PRISONERS IN REGARDS TO WHAT THEIR EXPECTATIONS ARE? WELL, THEY WORK WITH US. THEY, WE SHARE WITH THEM THE AMOUNT OF BEDS WE HAVE. AND WE GOT THE C5 AREA THAT WE HAVE HAVE IDENTIFIED TO TRY TO PUT US MARSHALS IN WHEN WE CAN. AND WE HAVE A BUNCH OF THEM IN THERE. Y'ALL HAD MENTIONED HOW MANY JAILERS ARE WE, SHORT RIGHT NOW? 14 IS ACTUALLY BECAUSE IT'S GONE UP FROM THE EIGHT. AND, I THINK I HEARD IT MENTIONED TO YOU YESTERDAY. YOU KNOW, IF WE 
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CAN'T FILL THOSE POSITIONS, WHY DO WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, GET THE OTHERS? THERE ARE TIMES THAT WE ARE FULLY STAFFED WHEN WE SAY WE'RE 14 SHORT, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T FILL THEM. 
          BUT THE REQUIREMENTS NOW BY TKO AND ALL THEM ON DOING THE BACKGROUNDS, IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO DO A BACKGROUND. AND IF YOU GET THROUGH A BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION, THREE QUARTERS OF THE WAY THROUGH AND YOU SPENT A WEEK AND A HALF ON IT, AND THEN YOU FIND SOMETHING THAT, THAT STOPS US FROM HIRING THAT PERSON. NOW WE GOT TO START ALL OVER. SO THERE ARE TIMES WHEN I CAN HIRE TWO. WE HAVE TWO JAILERS IN THE JAILERS SCHOOL BECAUSE BACKGROUNDS WERE BAD, BECAUSE I HAVE TWO BACKGROUND OFFICERS TO TRY TO CONSTANTLY HIRE NEW ONES. OR SOMETIMES I HAVE 8 OR 10 IN THERE. EVEN NOW, HAVING CAPTAIN GORDY AND LIEUTENANT SULLIVAN HAVE GONE THROUGH THE BACKGROUND CLASS JUST SO THEY CAN ALSO HELP DO BACKGROUNDS. 
          SO TECO'S MAKING IT HARDER AND HARDER ON ALL OF US. SO IT'S NOT THAT WE CAN'T HIRE THEM, IT'S JUST CAN WE GET THE BACKGROUNDS DONE IN TIME TO GET THEM HIRED? THEN YOU TALK ABOUT WHY I'M ASKING FOR SIX, WHAT'S REALLY KIND OF JUST A BAND AID. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OVERTIME WE'RE SPENDING, WHEN WE'RE SPENDING ANYWHERE FROM 90 TO $110,000 EVERY PAYCHECK IN OVERTIME, DO WE HIRE NEW JAILERS? IS IT CHEAPER? FROM WHAT I'VE ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD, IT'S CHEAPER TO PAY THE OVERTIME. BUT NOW WE'RE DOING MANDATORY OVERTIME. AND NOW WE GOT BURNT OUT AND WE GOT FAMILIES. IT'S THERE'S A LOT OF YOUNG GUYS IN THERE WHO WANT TO WORK AS MUCH OVERTIME AS THEY CAN, AND THEY DO. BUT WE ALSO HAVE HUSBANDS AND MOTHERS THAT WORK THERE NOW THAT WERE RETIRING TO WORK THERE, AND THEN THEY CAN'T. SO THEN WE HAVE THE INCREASE IN HIRING MORE PEOPLE. AND THEN WE GOT THE INCREASE ON PERSONNEL TRYING TO DO THEIR JOB TO DO IT. SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO STOP THE MANDATORY OVERTIME. SO WE DON'T HAVE THE HIGH TURNOVER, WHERE WE HAVE TO TRY TO CONTINUE TO HIRE THEM AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE OTHER DEPARTMENTS EXTRA MONEY TO TRY TO KEEP UP TOO. SO THAT WAS THE PURPOSE IN IT. I'M NOT SAYING SIX FIXES THE PROBLEM. IT WAS JUST TRYING TO HELP REDUCE THE MANDATORY OVERTIME. MOVE ON. IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, OBVIOUSLY STOP ME. WHERE Y'ALL Y'ALL SEE AN ISSUE? THERE'S AN INCREASE IN THE LIEUTENANTS. SORRY. WE WERE ASKING FOR, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DID THE INCREASE IN THE LIEUTENANTS FROM FROM, PATROL SIDE, THERE'S HAS GONE UP TO 120, 000, AND OUR LIEUTENANTS ARE MAKING 90. SO YOU GOT A DIFFERENCE OF $331,000 BETWEEN THE TWO. SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BRING THAT UP A LITTLE BIT, TO BRING THAT, BRING THEM INTO A LITTLE BIT BETTER ALIGNMENT. AND I'LL, I'LL ACKNOWLEDGE TO THE COURT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET, EITHER THOSE, THOSE INCREASES OR THOSE FIVE ADDITIONAL JAILER POSITIONS. OKAY. MOVING FORWARD TO THE BILINGUAL THING, WE'RE JUST MOVING SOME FUNDS ON THAT ONE, MOVING IT FROM ONE TO PART, FROM THE JAIL SIDE TO THE MEDICAL SIDE, BECAUSE WE HAVE A ONE OF THE LADIES IN MEDICAL THAT IS BILINGUAL THAT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MOVE THAT OVER THERE. THE STIPENDS, OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH JAIL STANDARDS. WE GOT A A GUY THAT'S HELPING IN COMPLIANCE AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT A COMPLIANCE CORPORAL. HE OBVIOUSLY HAS TO GO AROUND AND HE HAS TO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TELL THESE DEPARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO AS FAR AS US TO STAY IN COMPLIANCE SO WE DON'T GET TAKEN OUT OF COMPLIANCE BY JAIL STANDARDS. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT INCREASE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT Y'ALL WANT TO DO WITH THE OVERTIME. IT'S NOT SOMETHING I'VE ASKED FOR, BUT I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED IT BEFORE. THE OVERTIME COMPENSATION. DO YOU DO YOU DECIDE TO EVER RAISE THAT LINE ITEM ANY OR DO YOU JUST CONTINUE TO TRY TO BACKFILL THE OVERTIME WITH OUT OF SALARY? AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING FOR Y'ALL TO DISCUSS. THE CELL PHONE ALLOWANCE WE PUT, WE GOT THE NEW THREE SERGEANT POSITIONS Y'ALL GAVE US LAST YEAR. WHAT WE FORGOT TO ASK. AND THAT WAS THE THREE CELL PHONE STIPENDS FOR THAT. SO WE WERE ASKING FOR THAT SMALL INCREASE OF 1440 14 $140 ADVERTISING BASE. WE'RE MOVING. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE FIRST WENT INTO THE ADVERTISING, WE WERE DOING BILLBOARDS. AND THAT'S WHERE A LARGE AMOUNT OF THAT WAS FROM. BUT NOW WITH SOCIAL MEDIA, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE AS MUCH, BUT WE CAN USE THOSE ADDITIONAL FUNDS INTO SMALL TOOLS BECAUSE WE CONTINUE TO RUN SHORT IN SMALL TOOLS. SO WE'RE JUST BASICALLY MOVING THAT MONEY FROM 10,000 OF THE ADVERTISING INTO SMALL TOOLS. WE GET TO SMALL TOOLS. YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT MOVE WILL ALSO PUT IN AN INFLATION INCREASE TO AN ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT. JUST BECAUSE WE CONTINUE TO RUN. IF YOU LOOK UNDER THE THIRD COLUMN OF THE REVISED NUMBER, WE WENT FROM 33,000 THIS YEAR, AND WE'VE HAD TO SUPPLEMENT IT UP TO 50,000 NOW, NOT BY 50,000, BUT WE'RE NOW AT 50,100. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT INCREASING THAT. AND THEN THERE'S THE 
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TASER TASER AMOUNT IN THERE AGAIN THAT CONTRACTS UP. AND THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT FOR HAT AND THAT'S FOR ALL THE EQUIPMENT. AND THERE WHAT YOU WON'T SEE IN THERE THAT I DID HAVE, ON THE PREVIOUS ONE, THERE WAS 30 HANDHELD RADIOS THAT I HAD $12,453.75 THAT I'VE TAKEN OUT BECAUSE WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME SAVINGS. SO WE'VE TAKEN THAT OUT OF THERE, THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE JANITORIAL SUPPLIES. OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP UP, OBVIOUSLY, WITH THE HIGHER NUMBER OF INMATES THAT WE'RE SEEING, THAT WILL INCREASE THE JANITORIAL SUPPLIES, FOOD SUPPLIES. THE SAME THING GOES FOR THAT. JUST AN INCREASE IN COST AND AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF INMATES. AND YOU NEVER KNOW. I MEAN, WE MAY, WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS RUN SHORT ONE YEAR BY 100, 200,000 AND HAVE TO COME TO YOU. SO, IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW MANY INMATES WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. CHIEF, I WANT TO TOUCH ON SOMETHING YOU MENTIONED, AND THIS IS, AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR, THIS IS GOING TO COME OUT OF LEFT FIELD, BUT YOU MENTIONED THE HANDHELD RADIOS, AND I KNOW JOHN MCKINNEY AND RADIO SERVICES HAS TALKED ABOUT Y'ALL ARE ON A SEPARATE SYSTEM FROM THE REST OF THE. THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YEAH. EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE COUNTY, LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENTS, AMBULANCES, SCHOOLS ALL USE THE SAME RADIOS, FACILITIES AND PRECINCTS ALL USE THE SAME RADIO SYSTEM. YOU GUYS ARE ON A MOTO TURBO SYSTEM. THAT'S CALL IT A LEGACY SYSTEM, I THINK IS WHAT WE REFER TO OLD ANTIQUATED EQUIPMENT AS. SO THE REASON I BRING THAT UP, I'M JUST CURIOUS IF Y'ALL HAVE ENGAGED IN SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE LONG TERM VIABILITY OF THAT SYSTEM OR WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE TO MOVE THE JAIL INTO THE, THE COUNTY RADIO NETWORK. I KNOW THAT'S NOT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE BUDGET RELATED THIS YEAR. BUT AT SOME POINT WE TALK ABOUT REPLACING A BUNCH OF HANDHELD RADIOS. THOSE ARE EXPENSIVE AND THEY'RE NOT CAPABLE OF BEING USED ON ON THE OTHER SYSTEM. I KNOW WHEN DEPUTIES COME INTO THE JAIL, THEIR RADIOS DON'T WORK, SO THEY CAN'T CALL BACK TO DISPATCH. I JUST I KNOW IT'S AN ISSUE THAT'S GOING TO COME UP AS A PROBLEM IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. I WONDER IF YOU HAD ANY THOUGHTS YOU WANTED TO SHARE ABOUT THAT. IT HAD BEEN DISCUSSED IN THE PAST. THE REASON WE'RE KIND OF STICKING WITH WHAT WE HAVE IN THE IN THE NUMBER THE PARTICULAR HANDHELD, WE WERE DOING THE MOTOROLA RADIOS. AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, IN THE JAIL WE HAVE FIGHTS AND WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF STUFF HAPPEN. SO THEY GET BROKEN A LOT MORE. WELL, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY ON THE STREET THEY HAPPEN AS WELL, BUT IT'S ALWAYS IN THE JAIL. THERE'S A USE OF FORCE, WITH SOME ISSUE. AND BECAUSE 99% OF THE TIME, JAILERS DO NOT NEED TO ENTER OR EVEN MAYBE EVEN 100% DO NOT NEED TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE OFFICERS ON THE STREET. IT'S CHEAPER IF WE USE JUST A, A HANDHELD RADIO THAT IS KIND OF STANDALONE LIKE THESE. SO WE WENT FROM USING THE MOTOROLA RADIOS WHERE IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THOSE RADIOS COST, BUT TWO GRAND TO THESE RADIOS COST $415. SO RIGHT NOW THIS 30 IS TO HELP REPLACE SOME OF THE OLD MOTOROLAS FROM THE OTHER SYSTEM AND ALSO TO, YOU KNOW, REPLACE SOME OF THE DAMAGED ONES. SO WE'RE PRETTY MUCH GOING AT WHAT'S THE CHEAPEST WAY TO, TO COMMUNICATE IN THE JAIL. AND IF WE DO BREAK A RADIO, IT'S CHEAPER TO JUST TO BUY A NEW ONE THAN TRY TO FIX IT. SO $415.25, I BELIEVE. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT THAT WAS THE BEST WAY TO GO FOR US. I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I, I KNEW THERE WAS BUDGETARY CONSIDERATION. I JUST DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE THOUGHT WAS THERE MOVING FORWARD. IF Y'ALL WERE HAPPY WITH THAT OR WANTED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR EXPLORING MULTIPLE OPTIONS, IT'S RIGHT NOW SEEMS TO WORK. 
          I'M NOT SAYING IT MIGHT NOT CHANGE, BUT WE DO WANT TO CONTINUE TO PROBABLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE COST OF THOSE RADIOS AND, AND REPLACING THEM, AND THE NEED FOR CEOS TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE OUTSIDE, AND THEY DON'T NEED THAT. I CAN SEE WHERE THAT WOULD BE A THE RIGHT PATH NOT TO NOT TO HAVE ALL THAT CHATTER ON ALL THE OTHER RADIOS AND, YOU KNOW, JUST BASICALLY ISOLATED INTO WITHIN THE COMPOUND. AND YOU DON'T ALWAYS WANT ALL THAT ON THERE. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT THAT OUT EITHER. YEAH, I UNDERSTOOD COMMUNICATION. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. YES, SIR. MOVING FORWARD, JANITORIAL SUPPLIES THE SAME THING. JUST BUDGET INCREASE, FOOD AND SERVICES. I THINK WE DID GO THROUGH THAT PRISONER SUPPLIES FOR RIGHT DOWN TOWARDS THE BOTTOM, JUST AGAIN, INCREASE INFLATION AND AND INMATE NUMBERS GOING UP JUST FOR THE TAXPAYERS OUT THERE. LET'S TALK ABOUT FOOD AND WHAT IT COSTS TO FEED THE SMALL CITY WE'VE GOT OUT THERE. JUST SO IT'S ON THE RECORD BECAUSE IT'S AN ASTRONOMICAL NUMBER PEOPLE DON'T THINK ABOUT WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT WHETHER THE TAX DOLLARS GO. YEAH, WELL, YOU WANT TO LAY THAT OUT. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE 1,872,506 FOR 26. AND 
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WE'RE TRYING. AND WE'RE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE OF 186,000. BUT OBVIOUSLY OUR NUMBER OF INMATES HAVE GONE UP. FOOD YOU KNOW FOOD GOES UP. I UNDERSTAND RIGHT NOW FOOD PRICES ARE UP MAYBE IN LINE WITH INFLATION. I DON'T KNOW. IT'S NOT THE ASTRONOMICAL INCREASE AT THE MOMENT. BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FEEDING 970 INMATES THREE MEALS A DAY, 307, 365 DAYS A YEAR, IT IS AN ASTRONOMICAL NUMBER AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE REALLY USED TO SPENDING FOR FOOD. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COST OF THE PER MEAL, AND I DID NOT BREAK THAT DOWN THIS YEAR, BUT WE TRY TO KEEP IT. AT ONE POINT IT WAS UNDER A DOLLAR AND THEN IT WENT TO ABOUT $1.50. 
          AND WE'RE PROBABLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE $2 AND $1.50 RANGE MAYBE, BUT I DON'T HAVE IT BROKEN DOWN, SO I CAN'T GIVE YOU THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT TIMES NINE, 70 TIMES, THREE TIMES. 
          AND THEN YOU GOT THE JOHNNY SACKS THAT ALSO HAVE TO GO OUT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE TRUSTEES AND ALL THOSE THINGS AS WELL. SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A CONSTANT INCREASE IN FOOD. AND WHEN INMATE NUMBERS GO UP, THAT ALSO COSTS MORE JUST DUE TO FEEDING MORE MOUTHS. YEAH. THANK YOU. 
          PRISONER SUPPLIES. I THINK I MENTIONED THAT THE SMALL EQUIPMENT REPAIR, AGAIN, THE TASERS SHOW UP ON THAT. AND THAT'S THE WARRANTY PART OF THE $6,254.79, INCREASE IN THAT AMMUNITION. THAT'S WHERE THE TASER CARTRIDGES ARE IN THAT LINE ITEM. SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BROKEN DOWN, HOW THE AUDITORS WANT THOSE, WHAT LINE ITEM THOSE GOES IN. SO THAT'S WHERE THE TASER CARTRIDGES HAVE FALLEN. AND THAT'S AN INCREASE OF $23,398.12. PEST CONTROL CONTINUES TO BE ONE OF OUR ISSUES. OBVIOUSLY, WITH THE JAIL AND THE NUMBER OF INMATES AND CLEANLINESS AND FOOD AND ALL THOSE THINGS LIKE THAT, WE ALWAYS GOT TO TRY TO KEEP THOSE PESTS OUT OF THERE. WE STARTED OUT AT $5,320 FOR THE YEAR, AND WE'VE HAD TO MOVE SOME MONEY IN THERE. AND WE IT JUST DEPENDS IF WE HAVE RAT ISSUES OR IF WE HAVE, ON THE OUTSIDE OR WE HAVE ANTS, WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF ANT ISSUES, IN THE JAIL TOO, THAT WE'RE HAVING TO TRY TO CONSTANTLY FIGHT. SO WE'VE ASKED FOR AN INCREASE IN THAT OF $2,680. BUT BUILDING REPAIR, MAINTENANCE, OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES, THE LINE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE. AND YOU JUST NEVER KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO FALL ON THAT. THE HEAT THIS YEAR IS OBVIOUSLY TAXING OUR OUR HVAC SYSTEMS A LOT. SO, BUT BUILDING RIGHT NOW, WE'RE FAIRLY, WE'RE KIND OF IN LINE WHERE WE SHOULD BE BUDGET WISE. AND HOPEFULLY IT DOESN'T, NOTHING GOES, YOU KNOW, REAL WRONG WITH SOME OF THESE HVAC SYSTEMS GOING DOWN. WE HAVE TO REPLACE THEM. HOPEFULLY WE CAN JUST REPAIR THEM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO KEEP THEM OPERATING. SO WE'RE GOOD THERE. 
          OTHER THAN WE ARE ASKING FOR AN INFLATION INCREASE OF $44,572.80. ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WON'T SEE IN THERE THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED MONEY TO, TO, TO DO THIS YEAR IS A NEW ROOF OF C4. WE'VE HAD SOME WATER LEAK ISSUES IN THERE, AND THAT'S $51,450 THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME SAVINGS IN, IN THERE. AND WE'RE JUST AND IF WE GET IT GOING RIGHT NOW, IT LOOKS LIKE WE CAN GET THAT THAT DONE. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. MATTER OF FACT, WE JUST BROUGHT YOU THE ADDENDUM. I BELIEVE PAULA HAS THAT. YES, SIR. WE WILL. AT THE END OF YOUR PRESENTATION, WE'RE PUBLISHED FOR ACTION OUT OF WORKSHOP. AND SO BECAUSE THIS IS A BUDGET RELATED ITEM, THE INTENT IS TO MOVE INTO ACTION AGENDA AND GO AHEAD AND APPROVE YOUR CONTRACT SO Y'ALL CAN START YOUR ROOF REPAIR NOW OUT OF THIS YEAR'S BUDGET WITHOUT CARRYING THAT FORWARD TO NEXT YEAR. THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONE THAT TIME SENSITIVE WISE AS FAR AS FOR THEM ORDERING MATERIAL AND GETTING MAKING IT HAPPEN. ANOTHER ONE YOU WON'T SEE THAT WAS IN THERE WAS CHANGING THE MEDICAL AC FROM JOHNSON TO RELIABLE CONTROLS. THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH OUT OF THE SAVINGS WE'RE ABLE TO IDENTIFY. ANOTHER ONE WAS 44 PARKING LOT LIGHT REPLACEMENTS. WE'VE, $14,000 IN THAT AND SOME CHANGE THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. WE ALSO DID ASK FOR AN INCREASE, AND THIS IS STILL IN THE REQUEST IS THE, THE EPOXY FOR C ONE BATHROOMS. YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING ON THE C TWO, NOW AND, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO DO SOME EPOXY WORK IN THE SHOWERS AND C ONE. THOSE ARE REALLY PRETTY NASTY. AND, CAUSES PROBLEMS WITH A LOT OF COMPLAINTS. AS YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT, I HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT C TWO AND WELL, CAN WE INCREASE THE NUMBERS OF OUR OUT OF COUNTY? AND WE, I BELIEVE, I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS EXPLAINED COMPLETELY RIGHT OR NOT. AND MAYBE STEVE 
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WAS ABLE TO EXPLAIN THAT, BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND, WE'RE HOLDING OFF ON COMPLETELY BACK ADDING MORE, OUT OF COUNTY INMATES OR U.S. MARSHALS. AND PROBABLY THE MAX NUMBER WE CAN PROBABLY ADD AT THIS MOMENT IS PROBABLY ABOUT 48 UP TO THAT. WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, BUT BECAUSE WE GOT TO DO C TWO AND WE GOT TO MOVE PEOPLE OUT OF C TWO, WE GOT TO HAVE A PLACE TO MOVE THEM. AND SO ONCE THAT HAPPENS, HOPEFULLY WE CAN, IF THE COUNTY AND MATE DOESN'T INCREASE, THEN WE CAN ADD UP TO HOPEFULLY 48 MORE INMATES INTO THE JAIL ABOUT A COUNTY OR U.S. MARSHALS. WHAT YOU WON'T SEE IN THERE AGAIN. ALSO THE REPLACEMENT OF, OF LOCKS FOR ROLLING DOORS. YOU KNOW, WHEN A, WHEN A DOOR, A JAIL DOOR GOES DOWN, THOSE LOCKS ARE EXPENSIVE. THAT'S ABOUT $11,000 AND SOME CHANGE THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PAY FOR THIS YEAR. THERE WAS A FENCE AROUND THE GENERATORS THAT SIT OUT FRONT THAT WE WANT TO PUT ON THERE FOR PROTECTION OF EIGHT OF 8000 AND SOME CHANGE THAT WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO THIS YEAR AS WELL. WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE REASON WE'RE DOING THAT. 
          WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH SECURITY AROUND THOSE. ONE HAD A GUY SET A BACKPACK BEHIND ONE OF THE GENERATORS AND THE THIS PAST YEAR, I THINK IT WAS THIS PAST YEAR. AND OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS A BIG SECURITY CONCERN. HE WAS ACTUALLY GOING IN TO VISIT. AND HE JUST HE WAS JUST PUTTING IT BACK THERE TO, YOU KNOW, OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MIND SO HE COULD COME BACK AND PICK IT UP AND LEAVE. BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY PUT A PACK, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF BACKPACK BACK THERE. IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD. AND BIG SECURITY CONCERN. SO IF WE CAN KIND OF KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF THOSE ACCESS TO THE GENERATORS, THEN, THAT'S A BIG HELP TO US. WHAT IS IN THERE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS $89,557.71 TO UPGRADE THE ANALOG CAMERAS IN C TWO. AGAIN, THAT'S ANALOG TO DIGITAL. AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CONTINUE TO KEEP, KEEP IT UP WITH THEM FROM GOING DOWN. WE GOT ASKING FOR $2,916 TO ADD A CAMERA INTO C TWO, INTO ROOM 206. AND THAT'S AN AREA THAT WE USE FOR STORAGE AT ONE POINT, BUT WE HOLD, THE HOLD. THE CHAPLAIN WILL GO IN THERE AND HOLD CLASSES IN THERE AS WELL NOW, SO WE'VE OPENED THAT UP, BUT FOR SECURITY WISE TO PROTECT HIM AND ALSO TO PROTECT THE INMATES, WE NEED A CAMERA IN THERE. SO WHEN THEY DO HOLD THOSE SERVICES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND ROOMS TO HAVE ALL THE PROGRAMS AND TRY TO HAVE ROOM, FIND AREAS THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY. THERE'S JUST NOT A WHOLE LOT MORE ROOM THAT WE CAN EXPAND TO IN THOSE AREAS. SO IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE A CAMERA IN THERE TO PROTECT EVERYBODY AND HAVE SECURITY. WE'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE SOME OF THE CAMERAS IN C FIVE THAT ARE DOWN, $54,479.73. WE GOT A BUNCH OF CAMERAS IN C FIVE THAT AREN'T WORKING. AND, IT'S JUST NOT CHEAP TO GET THOSE CAMERAS REPLACED. CHIEF, CAN YOU HANG ON JUST A SECOND? CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT, IN OUR PROPOSED BUDGET, WHAT IS THE TOTAL NUMBER IN THAT BUILDING? PROPERTY REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE LINE CURRENTLY INCLUDED 900,000, 900,000. SO, THIS LINE I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT TO THE COURT, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WERE THERE'S ABOUT A $200,000 DIFFERENCE HERE. $900,000 IS PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH THEIR BUDGET LAST YEAR. AND EXPENDITURE THIS YEAR DOES NOT INCLUDE SOME OF THESE NEW ITEMS. NOT THAT THESE ARE NOT IMPORTANT ITEMS, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IT'S NOT CURRENTLY IN. I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS ON HOW WE HANDLE THAT. AS WITH OTHER THINGS THERE, SOME OF THOSE ITEMS I THINK COULD PROBABLY BE PICKED UP WITHIN THE EXISTING BUDGET THE WAY YOU ALL HAVE DONE, YOU KNOW, ROOF AND EPOXY THIS YEAR, YOU SQUEEZE AND SQUEEZE IN A COUPLE OF EXTRA SMALLER PROJECTS. ADDITIONALLY, WE ARE FUNDING A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT THESE CAN BE CONSIDERED ON A ONE BY ONE BASIS THROUGH THE YEAR AS THEY COME FORWARD. I THINK THAT WOULD, SOME OF THESE WOULD FIT INTO THE DEFINITION OF THAT. I THINK SOME OF THESE COULD POTENTIALLY BE ELIGIBLE FOR COMMISSARY FUNDS. AND I THINK THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE HAS CONFIRMED THAT THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR SOME, SOME PROJECTS AND THE AMOUNT OF 3 OR $400,000 NEXT YEAR THAT WOULD BE ANTICIPATED. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET THERE. AND AGAIN, AND I DON'T KNOW IF, IF ALL THE CAMERA PROJECTS ARE URGENT PRIORITY OR NOT, OR IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE OVER A COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE DO NEED TO TALK ABOUT. BUT THERE'S ABOUT A $200,000 DIFFERENCE THERE BETWEEN THE REQUEST AND THE CURRENT PROPOSAL. THANK YOU. CHIEF. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. I DON'T WANT TO PASS THAT BY AND NOT TALK ABOUT THAT. WELL, WHAT I WOULD HOPE WHEN Y'ALL DO MAKE THOSE CONSIDERATIONS AS FAR AS THE CAMERAS, WE HAVE CAMERAS THAT ARE DOWN. THOSE NEED TO BE FIXED. IF I'M ASKING TO GO FROM ANALOG TO IP, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT I'D HOPE WE COULD DO. BUT THEY ARE WORKING. SO IT'S REAL IMPORTANT 
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THAT ESPECIALLY WITH JOE STANDARDS AND THOSE TYPE OF SECURITY ISSUES AS WELL, THAT IF WE HAVE A CAMERA DOWN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS NECESSARY. AND THAT WAS THE, THE C FOR REPLACING CAMERAS AND C FIVE, WE GOT A BUNCH OF CAMERAS THAT ARE DOWN. AGAIN, THAT ONE THAT IN C TWO THAT ROOM 206 THAT'S A NEED. WE DON'T HAVE ONE THERE. AND WE HAVE INMATES AND, AND OFFICERS IN THERE A LOT. SO THAT WOULD BE A NEED. THANK YOU CHIEF I APPRECIATE IT. FEES AND SERVICES. THERE'S BEEN A $255 INCREASE IN THE METALLICS, AGREEMENT VEHICLES AND HEAVY MACHINERY REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE. I WOULD JUST ASK FOR INCREASE OF $1,750 FOR INFLATION. WE MOVE DOWN TO THE EQUIPMENT NON CAP. WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE SCBAS, THE EQUIPMENT THEY WEAR WHEN THERE'S FIRE FIRES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THEY HAVE TO WEAR. WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE NOT WORKING AND WE'D LIKE TO GET THOSE REPLACED. SO WE'RE REQUESTING, FOR SCBAS $14,700. WE HAVE, THE GENERATORS C ONE AND C TWO ARE ASKING FOR TO REPLACE THOSE GENERATORS. $242,237. AND LET ME GET TO BUILDING, REPAIR, MAINTENANCE AND KIND OF, GO THROUGH THAT. REPLACEMENT REQUESTED YOU TO HIRE HOURS OR WHAT, OR MAINTENANCE ISSUES OR WHAT? YEAH. JAIL STANDARDS REQUIRES. I'M TRYING TO GET TO THAT. TO THOSE PLACING. WELL, IT'S IN HERE SOMEWHERE. LET ME FIND IT. JAIL STANDARDS OBVIOUSLY REQUIRES THAT THOSE GENERATORS WORK. WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH WEEKLY CHECKS AND GET THEM TURNED ON. I BELIEVE IF I REMEMBER ONE OF THE C, ONE OF THE GENERATORS AND THESE ARE THE TWO THAT SIT OUT FRONT IS FROM 2006 AND ONE FROM 2008. WE HAVE CONSTANT REPAIRS ON THEM. 
          SO I GUESS OUR THOUGHTS ON THAT IS WHEN THEY GO DOWN, OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE OUT OF COMPLIANCE. IF THEY GO DOWN AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES TO GET ONE PURCHASED AND INSTALLED, WOULD BE THE ISSUE. SO WE'RE, WE'RE DOING A WHOLE LOT MORE REPAIRS. THE PARTS ARE GETTING HARD TO FIND. AND SO WHAT I DON'T WANT US TO DO IS END UP, YOU KNOW, GETTING CAUGHT WITH A GENERATOR GOING COMPLETELY OUT. AND WE, WE DON'T HAVE A GENERATOR THAT'LL GIVE ME GENERATORS ARE INVOLVED ON THE WHOLE CAMPUS. WE HAVE, WE HAVE THREE, WE HAVE THE TWO UP FRONT AND WE HAVE THE BIG ONE OUT BACK. WE DID HAVE FOUR. WE COMBINED ONE WITH WITH ONE OF THE ONES UP FRONT. 
          WHEN IT WENT DOWN, THAT WAS OVER THAT, COVERED C TWO AND SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS BACK THERE. WE COMBINED IT WITH ONE OF THE ONES UP FRONT. SO NOW WE'RE DOWN TO THE THREE. SO THESE ARE DIESEL OR NATURAL GAS. I'M SORRY THEY DIESEL FIRED OR. YES SIR. DIESEL. WELL I'M JUST THINKING YOU KNOW OF ANOTHER USE FOR THEM AS OPPOSED TO SURPLUS IN THOSE. IF WE DID REPLACE THEM THERE'S GOT TO BE YOU KNOW IF THEY'RE NOT IF THEY'RE JUST AGING GOT A LITTLE TIME ON THEM. IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO PUT A PRECINCT BARN OR SOMETHING ELSE AS A BACKUP, BUT, I WOULD HATE TO JUST SURPLUS THOSE THINGS. IS THAT IN YOUR PROPOSAL? CURRENTLY, NOTHING IN THE EQUIPMENT CAPITAL LINE IS INCLUDED. AND THAT'S NOT A REFLECTION THAT NONE OF THOSE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT, BUT A COUPLE OF THE LARGEST ITEM, THE GENERATORS, IF WE DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD, I THINK WOULD POTENTIALLY BE SOMETHING WE COULD TALK ABOUT OUT OF A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND. OR AGAIN, I THINK SOME OF THESE ITEMS WOULD POTENTIALLY BE ELIGIBLE FOR COMMISSARY FUNDS TO TO PAY TOWARD GIVEN THE RESTRICTION ON ON BUDGET AVAILABILITY THIS YEAR. BUT THOSE ITEMS, NONE OF THOSE FOUR ITEMS ARE CURRENTLY INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSAL. AND I WAS CORRECT THAT ONE WAS THE C ONE GENERATORS 2006 AND THE C3 AND C4. IT'S 2007. THAT'S WHEN THEY WERE INSTALLED. SO CAT POWER, WHAT ARE THEY, SIR? ARE THEY CAT POWERED. WHAT'S THE BEAT YOU ON THEM YOU KNOW. MOVING ON. THERE'S. FOUR AC UNITS IN C, ONE BLUE EAST AND BLUE WEST. AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER TWO ORANGE EAST AND ORANGE WEST. 
          THESE ARE THE OLD R 22 SYSTEMS. THEY DON'T MAKE PARTS TO REPLACE THE COMMERCIAL. R 22 SYSTEMS ANYMORE. THE ONE BLUE EAST AND BLUE WEST. THEY'RE BACK FROM 2016 AND OLDER. THE 
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MOST CRITICAL ONES ARE ORANGE EAST AND ORANGE WEST. OBVIOUSLY IF THAT GOES DOWN IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY REPLACE THEM WITH, BUT IT CAN SOMETIMES BE TWO WEEKS TO TWO MONTHS BEFORE THEY GET A UNIT, DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF UNIT IT IS. AND OBVIOUSLY, IF OUR JAIL IS FULL AND IF IN THIS TEMPERATURE, YOU KNOW, IF WE GO ABOVE 85 DEGREES REQUIRED OR BELOW 65, WE HAVE TO MOVE THOSE INMATES OUT OF THAT AREA. SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO IDENTIFY WE GOT FOUR SYSTEMS WE'RE CONSTANTLY HAVING TO WORK ON. AGAIN, THEY DON'T MAKE THOSE PARTS ANYMORE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THE THE CURVE ON THOSE. LIKE WHEN THOSE GO DOWN, THEY'RE GOING TO AND THEY COULD GO DOWN AT ANY TIME. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THE GAME ON THOSE. SO THAT'S A DECISION TO, YOU KNOW, THAT Y'ALL WANT TO LOOK AT ON, ON THOSE AS WELL. IF Y'ALL DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU WENT WITH, I DO WANT TO IDENTIFY ORANGE ARE THE WORST ONES. THERE'S TWO THERE AND THERE'S TWO OVER BLUE, BUT THEY'RE ALL THE OLD R 22 SYSTEMS. WHAT YOU WON'T SEE ON THERE THAT WAS ON MINE IS A TILT SKILLET THAT'S $30,677. AGAIN THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD. AND FROM SAVINGS I'VE IDENTIFIED WE'VE IDENTIFIED TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT NOW. SO THAT'S WE'VE TAKEN THAT OUT OF OUR ORIGINAL REQUEST. THERE'S A COPY MACHINE AND BOOKING THAT WE'VE TAKEN OUT AS WELL. THAT WAS $8,069.42 THAT WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY SAVINGS TO PAY FOR THAT. THERE'S THE HANDICAPPED TRANSPORT VAN THAT WAS THAT'S IN THERE FOR $93,731.44. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S STILL IN THERE OR NOT. THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A DECISION FOR Y'ALL. WE'VE HAD ISSUES BEFORE WHEN WE'VE HAD TO MOVE INMATES WHO ARE HANDICAPPED, WHEELCHAIRS, THOSE THINGS, AND HOW TO HOW DO WE GET THEM IN INTO A TRANSPORT UNIT SAFELY? HOW DO WE GET THEM OUT? AND WE'VE HAD SOME REAL ISSUES WITH THAT. WHAT DO Y'ALL IS THIS REPLACING ANOTHER HANDICAPPED TRANSPORT VAN? WE DON'T HAVE ANY. THAT'S BEEN OUR ISSUE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY TRANSPORT VANS THAT ARE EQUIPPED FOR HANDICAPPED. SO THAT'S THE ISSUE WE'VE HAD. WE'VE HAD TO MAKE DO WITH WHAT WE'VE HAD. AND AND I CAN'T SAY IT'S THE BEST. OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE GET THEM IN THE VAN. YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE. SO THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THAT REQUEST. WE RAN INTO SOME ISSUES WITH TRANSPORT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS U.S. MARSHALS OR IF IT WAS OR IF IT WAS SOME OF OUR OWN COUNTY INMATES. BUT WE WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH MOVING SOME HANDICAPPED INMATES BEFORE. AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE FOR THAT. IT DOESN'T MEAN IT WON'T ALSO TRANSPORT, YOU KNOW, OTHER INMATES WHO ARE NOT HANDICAPPED, BUT IT WILL ALSO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF, OF, OF A HANDICAPPED ISSUE. IF WE RUN INTO WHAT'S A STANDARDS IS JAIL STANDARDS. 
          GET INVOLVED ON THAT. THE CAPTAIN OF YOUR. MOORE. NO, WE DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE MARSHALS WILL COME UP. AND SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. THE MARSHALS WILL USUALLY HELP US OUT. THEY'LL SEND US ONE DOWN TO USE FOR THEIRS. THE PROBLEM WE'VE HAD IS WHEN WE RUN INTO A COUNTY INMATE. SO JUST A THOUGHT, WOULD THERE BE ANY POSSIBILITY IN DOING AN INTERLOCAL WITH. I'M ASSUMING LASALLE HAS THAT TYPE OF TRANSPORT VEHICLE. WOULD THERE BE ANY POSSIBILITY OF DOING AN INTERLOCAL WITH THEM? I CAN CHECK INTO IT. IS THAT BEYOND REASONABLE OR. YEAH. HOW DO Y'ALL KNOW? DO YOU HAVE A COUNT RIGHT NOW OF HOW MANY HOW MANY INMATES THIS IS NEEDED TO SERVE? I KNOW I HAVE TWO FOR SURE RIGHT NOW IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, THE WHEELCHAIR AND OUTSIDE THAT I'D HAVE TO GET AN ACCURATE NUMBER. OKAY. YEAH. I MEAN, COMMISSIONER, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF INMATES, I WOULD ASSUME A COUPLE OF DAYS A MONTH. INSTEAD OF SPENDING $100,000, MIGHT DO IT ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS. THE DRYER'S. OKAY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE I DID OVERLOOK WAS THE SEVEN DRYERS AND C THREE. WE HAVE SOME DRYERS IN THERE, 44 $5,502.92. THEY WERE ASKING TO REPLACE. DO THEY WORK? THEY. YOU JUST HAVE TO GET THEM REPAIRED A LOT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET THOSE REPLACED. BUT THAT'LL BE A DECISION, YOU KNOW AGAIN FOR Y'ALL TO TO MAKE ON THOSE. THEY GO IN AND OUT A LOT AND THEY ARE QUITE OLD. SO WE WERE LOOKING TO TRY TO GET THOSE REPLACED AS WELL. MOVE ON DOWN TO MEDICAL. BE THE NEXT PAGE. IF IF Y'ALL HAVE COPIES, IF NOT A LOT WE'RE WE'RE ASKING FOR WITH MEDICAL, OBVIOUSLY, BUT SOME THINGS THAT WE ARE 
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LOOKING TO TRY TO DO IS WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME AREAS WHERE IF WE COULD GET SOME PART TIME LVNS. THAT WOULD ALSO HELP US REDUCE THE NEED FOR THE TEMP AGENCY. SO MEDICAL HAS REQUESTED THAT WE TAKE TWO FULL TIME POSITIONS AND MOVE THOSE TO THREE PART TIME POSITIONS. 
          TO TRY TO HELP MEET THAT NEED OF SOME OF THOSE LVNS WANTING TO COME TO WORK PART TIME. THAT WILL HELP KEEP US FROM HAVING TO GET THE THE TEMP AGENCY TO SEND US ANYBODY WITH THAT REQUEST THOUGH, WHAT WE ASK IF WE CAN DO THAT IS THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO ELIMINATE ANOTHER ONE OF THE TEMP AGENCIES. AND IF THAT'S GONE DOWN TO A LITTLE BELOW THE MIDDLE, YOU'LL SEE FEES AND SERVICES WHERE WE'RE REDUCING ONE TEMP AGENCY POSITION. IF WE CAN GET THAT REQUEST WITH MOVING THOSE TWO FULL TIMES TO THREE PART TIME, WE DO KIND OF HAVE THOSE TIED TOGETHER, THOUGH. SO WE APPRECIATE IF Y'ALL WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE THAT DECISION ON THAT. AND THAT IS CURRENTLY INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, IS CREATING THOSE THREE PART TIME POSITIONS, REMOVING TWO FULL TIME POSITIONS AND REDUCING THE STAFFING. THAT'S THAT'S ALL INCLUDED WITHIN THE PROPOSED BUDGET. THE ONLY THING THAT IS NOT IN WHAT WAS PROPOSED AND WHAT IS IN Y'ALL'S REQUEST THAT WE MAY WANT TO TALK SOME MORE ABOUT, IS THE PART TIME MENTAL HEALTH NURSE PRACTITIONER. YES. LET ME GET TO MY. PART TIME. PART TIME POSITIONS. THE PURPOSE OF US ASKING FOR THIS PART TIME NURSE PRACTITIONER FOR THE MENTAL HEALTH. AND OBVIOUSLY YOU ALL KNOW THIS IS AS GOOD AS MUCH AS I DO. THE JAILS ARE OBVIOUSLY THE LARGEST MENTAL HEALTH. HOSPITAL, BUT PLACES WHERE WE ARE REQUIRED TO KEEP THEM AND THAT'S CAUSING SOME ISSUES FOR US WITH GETTING OUR CONTRACTED PSYCH DOCTOR TO BE ABLE TO SEE THEM ALL IN ON TIME. AND OBVIOUSLY, WITH OUR INCREASE GOING UP TO 970, AND THAT MEANS FOR ALL OUT OF COUNTY AS WELL AS ALL OUR COUNTY INMATES, DOCTOR SWAISGOOD, WHO IS OUR CONTRACTED PSYCH DOCTOR, IT'S 2 TO 3 MONTHS BACKLOG FOR SEEING INMATES. AND SHE'S SEEING APPROXIMATELY 70 INMATES A MONTH ON AVERAGE. SO THAT LEAVES US, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BACKLOGGED ON THAT. AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY IN THE JAIL WHO CAN. WE DO HAVE SOME COUNSELORS, BUT THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO PRESCRIBE MEDICATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO WE HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH THAT. SO IF WE COULD HAVE MENTAL HEALTH NURSE PRACTITIONER THAT WOULD LESSEN HER LOAD. IT WOULD REQUIRE US TO PROBABLY NOT DEPEND ON HER AS MUCH, WHICH MAY ALSO HELP REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE SPEND WITH HER AS WELL, AND GIVE US THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THOSE INMATES SEEN FASTER, GET MEDICATION PRESCRIBED FASTER, WHICH MIGHT ALSO HELP LESSEN SOME OF THE ISSUES WE HAVE. YOU OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AND WE'VE HAD SOME INMATES IN THERE WHO HAVE COME IN AND AND HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, AND THEY'VE STAYED IN, IN ON SUICIDE WATCH A LOT BECAUSE THEY SELF-HARM. AND, AND IF WE'RE BACKLOGGED 2 OR 3 MONTHS, WE HAVE ISSUES WITH JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING EVERYBODY SEEN IN TIME. IF WE CAN GET THAT MEDICATION PRESCRIBED QUICKER, WE GET THEM SEEN QUICKER. IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY ON STAFF WHO CAN GO DOWN THERE AND ACTUALLY MEET WITH THEM IMMEDIATELY, THEN THAT MIGHT HELP REDUCE IN A LOT OF AREAS, LIABILITY WISE, USE OF FORCE WISE, ALL THOSE AREAS THAT WE WE HAVE TROUBLES WITH RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD REALLY BENEFIT US TO HAVE THAT. IT MIGHT IT MIGHT BENEFIT US, YOU KNOW, ONE, YOU KNOW, ONE LIABILITY ISSUE COULD COULD PAY FOR THAT EASILY. BUT THAT'S JUST AN AREA THAT I REALLY WANT TO STRONGLY REQUEST THAT Y'ALL CONSIDER. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S IN THERE OR NOT, BUT Y'ALL KNOW THE NEED WE HAVE WITH, WITH OUR MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES TO TRY TO MEET THE NEEDS OF ALL THOSE INMATES IN THERE, HAVE THOSE THOSE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. ON THE JAIL SIDE OF IT. THEY PRETTY MUCH MOVE THINGS AROUND, ALMOST COVER ALL OF THEIR TASKS. IT'S LIKE A $36,000 DIFFERENCE IN THE TOTAL. 
          JUST SOMETHING I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU GUYS THAT YOU PROBABLY ALREADY HAVE HEARD FROM OTHER AREAS OF THE STATE, AND WITH THE RELATIONSHIPS THAT YOU PROBABLY HAVE, BUT THERE IS NO 
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DOUBT THAT THE DATA CENTER ISSUE IS GOING TO COME UP IN THIS COUNTY AGAIN, MOST LIKELY VERY SOON. AND JUST INFORMATION THAT I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU GUYS IS WHAT THAT DOES TO THEIR JAIL POPULATION. WHENEVER THEY START BRINGING IN ALL OF THE LABORERS TO WORK AND WORK ON THESE PROJECTS, SEEN 20% INCREASES IN SOME OF THEM. WILLIAMSON COUNTY, I THINK, WAS ONE OF THE THAT GAVE THAT LITTLE TESTIMONY. BUT, YOU KNOW, SO JUST IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, YOU MIGHT WANT TO START START TALKING TO SOME OF YOUR OTHER COUNTERPARTS AROUND THE STATE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO IMPACT OUR JAIL WHEN, WHEN, AND IF WE GET 1 OR 2 OR 3 OR 10 OF THOSE. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE THINKING ABOUT. YES, SIR. YEAH. ARMSTRONG COUNTY TELLS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE A POPULATION OF ABOUT 1700 IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY OUT AT CLAUDE. YEAH. THEY GOT 5000 SHIFT WORKERS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. AND THEY'VE ALREADY ARRESTED MULTIPLE CARTEL MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, AND THEY PROBABLY THEY MAY HOLD 20 PEOPLE IN THEIR JAIL. YOU KNOW, IT'S A TINY. SO THEY'RE HAVING VALID POINT. VALID POINT. 
          THEY'RE PAYING OUT. YEAH. WE'RE NOT GETTING DATA CENTERS. THEY PUT A STOP TO THAT AT THE STATE LEVEL. YEAH. AND WALK BACK, THE LAST ITEM, I BELIEVE, AND AUDREY, YOU MIGHT DOUBLE CHECK, MAKE SURE I HADN'T MISSED ANYTHING. BUT THE LAST ITEM IS A REQUEST FOR TB MEDICAL SUPPLIES $8,012. THE REASON WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT THE STATE NO LONGER PROVIDES THOSE FUNDS FOR THAT WHICH THEY WERE. SO THEY'VE NOW PUT IT ALL ON THE COUNTIES TO PROVIDE THAT. SO WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT INCREASE AS WELL THIS YEAR. THE CAPTAIN. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE TO ADD? I BELIEVE WE'VE COVERED IT ALL. CHIEF. LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION ON THE DRYERS. HOW MANY DRYERS DO YOU HAVE IN C? THREE TOTAL IS SEVEN. ALL OF THEM. I'M SORRY. DO YOU REMEMBER? I DON'T YOU? SEVEN IS ALL OF THEM. WE'RE ASKING FOR ALL OF THEM. YEAH, YOU'RE ASKING FOR ALL OF THEM. BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS. YEAH. THEY'RE OLD, THE OLD ONES. AND YOU HAD SOME NEWER ONES OR WHATEVER IN THERE. YES, SIR. WE'VE WE'VE GONE THROUGH C THREE AND WE'VE REPLACED A WASHERS. IF YOU KNOW LAST YEAR WE REPLACED QUITE A FEW WASHERS AND OF THAT NATURE. SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO JUST EVERY YEAR JUST DO SOME CHANGING. THERE'S ANOTHER AREA THAT WASN'T ON THE BUDGET AND IT'S LIKE $57,000 THAT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PAY FOR OUT OF THIS YEAR'S SAVINGS IS WE HAVE SOME ROLL ON ROLLING COOLERS AND WARMERS IN THE KITCHEN THAT ARE THAT ARE BREAKING DOWN QUITE OFTEN. THE DOORS ARE PRETTY MUCH FALLING OFF. JAIL STANDARDS HAVE BEEN ON US ABOUT THOSE. WE DIDN'T PUT THOSE IN THE REQUEST. WE JUST THEY, THEY, THE ISSUE STARTED HAPPENING WITH THEM AFTER WE PUT OUR REQUEST TOGETHER. BUT THAT'S ALSO ANOTHER AREA WE CAN GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS WITH THE SAVINGS. SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT AS WELL. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO ASK FOR IT IN THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. AND THERE'S PROBABLY SOME OTHER ONES WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE TAKEN CARE OF. IT JUST WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE MADE IT HAPPEN BY THE END OF SEPTEMBER. SO IT WOULDN'T BE VERY MANY, BUT ANOTHER 1 OR 2, IF WE IF WE COULD HAVE MADE IT HAPPEN, WE JUST CAN'T. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? THANK YOU. CHIEF. WHAT'S THE BALANCE IN THE COMMISSARY FUND? I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT. AND I'M PREPARED. LET ME GET TO THAT. OUR CURRENT O L AND I SAY THIS WAS AS OF PROBABLY A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, $656,864 IS THE BALANCE WAS THE BALANCE. IT MAY BE UP OR DOWN. AND ACTUALLY I BROKE IT DOWN IN THE PAST SIX MONTHS JUST TO SEE WHERE WE WERE. BUT WE WERE PAYING FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT 1.2 MILLION OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, THE WELDING BUILDING, THE THE OTHER BUILDING WE HAD BUILT. BUT, YOU KNOW, IN JANUARY, IT WAS UP 95 AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR DOWN 65. SO IT JUST FLUCTUATED UP AND DOWN. WE PAID ALL THE MADE ALL THE PAYMENTS ON THAT BUILDING NOW. SO THOSE FUNDS SHOULD SLOWLY START INCREASING AGAIN. AND THOSE ARE AREAS WE CAN USE THE COMMISSARY FUNDS AT TIMES, AS LONG AS IT BENEFITS THE INMATES TO DO SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS. BUT THAT'S, AGAIN, SOLELY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE SHERIFF. IF AS LONG AS IT BENEFITS THE INMATES, AND IF THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE CAN ALSO GO TO GO TO THE SHERIFF WITH AT TIMES AND SAY, HEY, CAN WE DO THIS OUT OF THE COMMISSARY FUND? SO, COMMISSIONER, AS PART OF THE BUDGET PREPARATION PROCESS, 
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I ASKED THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE TO RUN AN ANALYSIS ON ALL OF THE SPECIAL FUNDS IN THE COUNTY AND KIND OF WHAT THEIR REVENUES, THEIR EXPENDITURES, THEIR FUND BALANCE IS FOR COMMISSARY THAT AVAILABLE FUND BALANCE NEXT YEAR BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE EMPLOYEES IN IT. SO THAT $650,000 NUMBER IS IT'S SLIGHTLY OVERSTATED BECAUSE THEY HAVE OBLIGATIONS. BUT I THINK THE THE NUMBER WAS IN THE 350 TO $400,000 RANGE THAT COULD BE UTILIZED IN THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. IF IF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE DECIDED TO DO THAT. YEAH. THANK YOU, JUDGE, BECAUSE AS AUDREY JUST SAID, WE'RE PAYING BILLS OUT OF THAT TOO. SO ALTHOUGH I SAID THAT WAS THE NUMBER A COUPLE DAYS AGO, PROBABLY RIGHT NOW IT'S PROBABLY QUITE A BIT LESS, I THINK A GOOD TARGET NUMBER FOR US TO TRY TO STAY AT IS AROUND 400,000 MINIMUM, MAYBE 500,000 IN THAT BUDGET TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE THERE ARE TIMES WE'RE SPENDING $100,000 FOR COMMISSARY ITEMS OR OTHER ITEMS AND OR SALARY ITEMS. SO WE GOT TO KEEP THAT. WE MAY BE DOING BOTH. AND THEN IT DRAINS IT DOWN TO 200,000, YOU KNOW, GET THE NEXT MONTH IT'LL GO BACK UP. SO, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO KEEP A MINIMUM AMOUNT IN THERE TO MAKE SURE WE, WE MEET ALL THE OBLIGATIONS THAT WERE REQUIRED TO MOST. I MAY HAVE MISSED IT, BUT MAYBE IT'S JUST NOT ADDED USED TO THERE WOULD BE. PASS THROUGH MONEY THAT WOULD ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE JAIL WOULD BE PART OF THE NUMBERS. IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE BUDGET REALLY, BUT IT'S IT'S PASS THROUGH. SO THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY OF THE JAIL REVENUES. THERE ARE JAIL REVENUES. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SIGNIFICANT REVENUE FROM HOLDING OUT OF COUNTY INMATES, BUT THERE ARE TRANSFERS FROM COMMISSARY TO ACCOUNT FOR. 
          YOU'LL RECALL WE TALKED ABOUT COMMISSARY CLERKS YESTERDAY AS BEING KIND OF SEPARATE FROM THE CLERK PROCESS. THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE PAID OUT OF A SEPARATE FUND. AND SO THE SHERIFF HAS COMPLETE CONTROL OVER THOSE POSITIONS AND HAS SET THE PAY FOR THOSE. I THINK THERE'S FOUR POSITIONS, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY. I THINK THREE IN A SUPERVISOR. DOES THAT SOUND. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. AND WE ALSO PAY FOR THE SALARY OF THE THE BEEKEEPER. YOU KNOW THE PROGRAM WE HAVE OF THAT, DO WE ALSO DO THE CHAPLAIN OUT OF THAT OR THE JAIL CHAPLAIN ONE, THE JAIL CHAPLAIN POSITIONS ALSO PAY OUT OF THAT. SO WE HAVE HAD VARIOUS TEACHERS AND LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT LEAD THE FARM PROGRAM, LIKE YOU SAID, THE BEE PROGRAM, THE EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON IN THAT. SOME OF THAT IS DONE DIRECTLY OUT OF THAT FUND. SOME OF THAT IS DONE WHERE THE GENERAL FUND PAYS FOR IT, AND THEN THERE'S A TRANSFER FROM COMMISSARY TO THE GENERAL FUND TO REIMBURSE THOSE EXPENSES. SO THAT'S THE REVENUE PIECE THERE IS IT'S STILL THERE. IT'S JUST NOT REFLECTED IN THIS THIS INFORMATION. OKAY. WELL, YOU KNOW, WITH OPEN RECORDS AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE WANTING TO DISSECT COUNTY GOVERNMENT THESE DAYS, IT'S TRANSPARENCY PORTION OF IT. I WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT IT DIDN'T REFLECT IN THE GENERAL FUND IF IF SOMETHING CAME UP. YES, SIR. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHIEF. SO COMMISSIONERS, LIKE I MENTIONED, THE THE BIG ITEMS HERE, THERE WERE THE PERSONNEL ITEMS THAT WERE DISCUSSED. AND WE CAN REVISIT THOSE IF THE COURT WISHES TO DO SO. THE BIG ONE TIME EXPENDITURE ITEMS WERE IN THE BUILDING PROPERTY REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE AND EQUIPMENT, CAPITAL LINES FOR THE JAIL. AND MY REQUEST IS THAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE DO WHAT THEY CAN WITH THEIR BUDGET AND THEN DO WHAT THEY CAN WITH COMMISSARY, AND THEN COME BACK AND ASK FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUNDS TO DO THE REST. AND THAT WAY WE CAN PRIORITIZE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR IF WE DO IT A DIFFERENT WAY. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. AND THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WE'VE DONE IN PRIOR YEARS. BUT PART OF THE PUSH FOR MOVING SOME OF THE CAPITAL ITEMS OUT OF VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS AND FACILITIES MANAGEMENT WAS ALSO IMPACTED BY THAT IS IT'S BEEN VERY DIFFICULT TO TRACK WHAT DO WE ACTUALLY SPEND EVERY YEAR ON MAINTAINING WHAT WE HAVE VERSUS WHAT DO WE SPEND ON NEW PROJECTS THAT GET PAID FOR OUT OF THE SAME LINES? AND SO THAT WAS PART OF THE RATIONALE THERE, BUT THAT IS HOW IT'S PRESENTED IN THE CURRENT PROPOSED BUDGET. WE CAN OBVIOUSLY DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. IT'S IT'S A WHOLE COMMISSIONERS COURT BUDGET BY THE TIME WE'RE DONE WITH THIS PROCESS. BUT THAT IS WHAT I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE PROPOSAL, BECAUSE IT DOES NOT ADDRESS EVERY ONE OF THESE REQUESTS OR NEEDS. THERE'S ALWAYS A HUGE NUMBER ASSOCIATED WITH THE JAIL, BUT I WILL SAY THAT MR. ARRIOLA AND DAVID, IT'S A GOOD PRESENTATION AND IT'S MORE OF A NEED THAN AN ASK. AND IT IS A LEAN YEAR, TO YOUR POINT. YOU KNOW, IT'S APPRECIATED. HOPEFULLY WE CAN MAKE EVERYTHING HERE WORK. CERTAINLY THE NECESSITIES OF PROTECTION IS ALWAYS IS ALWAYS PRIORITY ONE FOR FOR OUR DEPUTIES AND OUR PATROL. BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THIS IS A GOOD A GOOD PRESENTATION COMPARED TO SOME 
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I'VE SEEN IN THE PAST. YEAH, I DON'T I DON'T EVEN THINK THE JAIL MEDICAL PARTY NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S A GIVEN ON ALL OF THAT. THE ONLY ITEM THAT'S THAT WAS IN THE PRESENTATION THAT IS NOT IN THE BUDGET IS THAT PART TIME MENTAL HEALTH NURSE PRACTITIONER. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THAT IS IT WAS AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH TRYING TO CLOSE THE GAP, WE WERE PULLING OUT THINGS THAT LOOKED LIKE A NEW PROJECT AND THAT WAS MORE OR LESS A NEW PROJECT. AGAIN, NOT THAT IT'S NOT A WORTHY GOAL. AND IF THERE'S A WAY TO DO THAT, AND AT LEAST PARTIALLY OFFSET THE COST FROM ANOTHER SOURCE, THAT, YEAH, THAT'S FINE. BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, THAT'S NOT INCLUDED. BUT THE OTHER PERSONNEL REQUESTS WERE INCLUDED AND ALL THE FEE SERVICES AND SUPPLIES WERE INCLUDED. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THE SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION WITH THEIR LEGAL REPRESENTATION AT THIS SESSION, ARE ALL GOING TO BE PUSHING FOR MORE HELP REGARDING MENTAL HEALTH AND TRY TO GET SOME KIND OF FUNDING TO TO OFFSET SOME OF THAT. BECAUSE BECAUSE IT'S A STATEWIDE PROBLEM, THE POPULATION IS JUST SO GREAT AND THOSE NEEDS ARE GREATER THAN THEY'VE EVER BEEN. IT'S NOT NEW. IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR 30 YEARS. 40 YEARS. YEAH. JUST NOW GETTING. YEAH. AND, AND THE IT'S DOUBLE THE POPULATION OF THOSE PEOPLE PROBABLY NOW IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS DOING THEIR JOB BECAUSE OUR COUNTY JAIL BECOMES THE LARGEST MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY IN THE COUNTY, THE LARGEST MENTAL HEALTH PROVIDER THAT THERE IS, IS RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD. THERE ARE SOME COUNTIES. 
          YEAH, THERE ARE SOME COUNTIES THAT ARE BUILDING THEIR OWN MEDICAL FACILITY THAT ARE THAT ARE HOUSING MAYBE 100 BEDS, 50 BEDS OR 100 BEDS. THE STATE KEEPS SHUTTING THEM DOWN STATE, SHUTTING THEM DOWN, YOU KNOW, SO IT IS. BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT COUNTIES THAT ARE MORE BLESSED, THAT HAVE SALES TAX, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY'RE MAKING IT A PRIORITY. AND, AND IT'S A GOOD, GOOD CAUSE BELL COUNTY HAS A MODEL THAT I WISH WE COULD COPY AND PASTE AND STEAL DIRECTLY FROM THEM. THEY HAVE THEY REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH LOCAL HOSPITALS, WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THEY'VE GOT 5 OR 6 DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES, AND THEY BUILT A BUILDING FOR A. DIVERSION CENTER THAT SITS RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR JAIL, WHERE MENTAL HEALTH INMATES WHO ARE COMING IN NEVER SET FOOT IN THE JAIL. THEY GO TO A SEPARATE FACILITY, AND THEIR OPERATING COSTS ARE ABOUT $0. THEY BUILT THE BUILDING AND PUT UP THE MONEY TO DO THAT. 
          BUT LOCAL HOSPITALS, I THINK THEY HAVE MULTIPLE LOCAL HOSPITALS, CONTRIBUTE WORKFORCE AND DONATIONS BECAUSE IT KEEPS PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR ERS, SO IT SAVES THEM MONEY. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS FUNDED A PORTION OF THAT. SO THEY GET A CHECK FROM THE FEDS EVERY YEAR TO PAY FOR A PORTION OF THAT THEY HAVE. THEY SET REALLY THE GOLD STANDARD IN HOW YOU CAN CREATE A DIVERSION CENTER, WHICH AT A MINIMUM CREATES, YOU KNOW, 16 TO 32 NEW BEDS IN YOUR JAIL. 
          BUT AS A MAXIMUM, IT'S TAKING OUT THE MOST DIFFICULT 16 TO 32 INMATES YOU'VE GOT, PROVIDING THEM WITH MENTAL HEALTH CARE AND THEN PROCESSING THEM OUT AT ALMOST NO COST. IF WE COULD FIND A WAY TO REPLICATE WHAT THEY'VE DONE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN ENORMOUS ASSET TO THE COUNTY, JUST THE SAVINGS ON THE INDIGENT SIDE OF THINGS OF WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO COVER IN OUR E.R. YES. SOME OF THAT. YEAH. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. IT IT'S SOMETHING THAT AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EXPLORE. IT'S A BIG PROJECT AND IT'S I DON'T I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S HAD THE, THE TIME OR RESOURCES TO RUN AFTER IT, BUT IT'S OUT THERE. THERE ARE PROGRAMS AND THERE ARE COUNTIES THAT ARE DOING IMPRESSIVE THINGS AND FINDING WAYS TO BE CREATIVE WITH THE WAY THEY ACCOUNT FOR THEM, THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE MORE OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? IF NOT, I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND WE TAKE A 15 MINUTE RECESS AND THEN I KNOW FACILITIES IS READY TO PRESENT THEIR THEIR BUDGET AS WELL. AND THAT'LL GIVE US SOME TIME THEM SOME TIME TO SET UP AND THEN US SOME TIME TO DISCUSS BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS TODAY. SO ALL RIGHT. 
          WELCOME BACK. WE ARE BACK FROM RECESS. IT IS 10:45 A.M. WE ARE STILL IN WORKSHOP ON ITEM WS1 DISCUSSION OF BUDGET AND TAX RATE. WE ARE BRIEFLY GOING TO MOVE FROM WS1 TO WS2, WHICH IS RECONVENING INTO OPEN SESSION FOR POTENTIAL ACTION RESULTING FROM WORKSHOP SESSION. WE DO HAVE AN ACTION ITEM RESULTING FROM THE BUDGET ITEM THIS MORNING REGARDING ROOFING AT C FOR THE JAIL UNIT. THE JAIL WENT AHEAD AND THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCELERATE A REPAIR SO THEY CAN GET THAT DONE THIS YEAR INSTEAD OF BUDGETING FOR IT NEXT YEAR, THAT WILL BE DONE FROM CURRENT FUNDS. THEY HAVE FUNDS TO PAY FOR IT. THE CONTRACT ADDENDUM FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS BEEN ATTACHED TO THAT PROPOSAL. MISS REED HAS THE DRAFT 
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CONTRACT, BUT IT IS. AND MR. MOORE. THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S BEEN THROUGH YOUR OFFICE. IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK SO. OKAY. AND I'LL MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT BEFORE WE SIGN OFF ON IT. BUT THE INTENT IS TO LET THEM GO AHEAD AND BEGIN. IT'S A PROPOSAL FROM PRIME SOURCE ROOFING FOR A NEW ROOF ON C FOUR AT THE JAIL. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? THAT WAS GREEN ROOF. IS THAT. YEAH. OKAY. I'M GETTING A SHAKING HEAD FROM CODY SIBLEY. I REGRET I WE SHOULD HAVE ADDRESSED THIS BEFORE WE RECESSED AND SENT ALL THE JAIL FOLKS HOME. BUT YES, IT'LL BE A MEMBRANE ROOF FROM PRIME SOURCE ROOFING. THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF PROJECTS, OBVIOUSLY FOR THE $50,000. I'M SURE IT IS A MEMBRANE. YEAH. SO I WOULD REQUEST A MOTION ON THAT ITEM. AND IN THAT MOTION PLEASE INCLUDE AUTHORIZATION FOR ME TO SIGN. MOVE TO APPROVE THE COUNTY JUDGE AUTHORIZATION TO SIGN SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I'VE GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITE, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WOOLLEY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I, I, I ALL OPPOSED BY THE SAME SIGN. AND THAT ITEM CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE BACK TO WORKSHOP AND CAPTAIN AREOLA WILL GET THAT SIGNED. AND BACK TO YOU GUYS TODAY SO THAT Y'ALL CAN START THE PROCESS. APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S FLEXIBILITY. EVERY YEAR THIS COMES UP EVERY YEAR Y'ALL DO A FANTASTIC JOB OF SQUEEZING IN A WHOLE LOT OF PROJECTS IN A VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME TO SAVE THE TAXPAYERS SOME MONEY, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE MOVING BACK INTO WS1. 
          THIS IS WORKSHOP ON DISCUSSION OF BUDGET AND TAX RATE. WE HAVE HAD A PRESENTATION FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE THIS MORNING. WE ARE SET FOR A PRESENTATION FROM FACILITIES MANAGEMENT. SO MR. SIBLEY GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A QUICK, BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE BUDGET AND THEN GET INTO SOME PERSONNEL REQUESTS. WE GOT THE EMAIL KIND OF SAYING THE BUDGET WAS GOING TO BE TIGHT. THE PERSONNEL REQUESTS WERE ALL GOING TO BE PROBABLY KICKED TO MAYBE NEXT YEAR OR THE FOLLOWING YEAR. SO I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. WE'LL WORK WITH THAT. BUT THERE ARE DECISIONS AND SOME ADJUSTMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE THAT WE WOULD LIKE THE COURT'S APPROVAL MOVING FORWARD. IF THAT'S THE THE DECISION, WE GOT TO GO. I DID KIND OF CHEAT JUDGE AND JUST RIPPED AND COPY AND PASTED YOUR PRESENTATION. THE FIRST PART, THIS LOOKS GREAT. YOU DID A GREAT JOB. DID KIND OF CHEAT THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DIDN'T SEE IN THIS THAT I DID ADD WAS THAT ONE OF OUR MAINTENANCE TATTOOS, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR LEAD POSITIONS, WE WERE REQUESTING AN EPA CERTIFICATION THAT ALLOWS THAT EMPLOYEE TO BE ABLE TO PULL REFRIGERANT OR BUY REFRIGERANT, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A VENDOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND TYPICALLY, IF AN ENZYMATIC OR SOME SORT OF AC VENDOR BUYS REFRIGERANT, THEY MARK IT UP 18, 20% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO WHEN WE'RE BUYING REFRIGERANT, THAT IS A PRETTY GOOD DEAL. AND IT'S PRETTY CHEAP. WE HAVE TWO EMPLOYEES THAT DO HAVE THAT LEVEL OR THE ABILITY TO BUY REFRIGERANT THAT THEY DO GET SOME SORT OF CERTIFICATION, WHETHER IT'S THE EPA OR THE HVAC CERTIFICATION PAY. SO WE HAVE HAD TIMES WHERE BOTH OF THEM ARE OFF, AND THIS EMPLOYEE HAS BEEN ABLE TO ACTUALLY STILL BUY REFRIGERANT. 
          I DON'T SEE A SCENARIO WHERE ALL THREE OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE OFF AT THE SAME TIME. SO HAVING ALL THREE OF THEM HAVE THAT CERTIFICATION AND KIND OF BE, YOU KNOW, PAID FOR IT DOES HELP, I THINK, COVER THE COUNTY AND SAVE US IN THE LONG RUN. SO THE COURT HAS NOT DISCUSSED THIS ITEM. IT IS NOT CURRENTLY INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. IT IS A FAIRLY SMALL TICKET ITEM. SO LET'S LET'S DISCUSS BEFORE WE MOVE ON, WHAT IS THE REQUESTED DOLLAR AMOUNT. WE WE JUST MATCHED WHAT THE OTHER EPA CERTIFICATION WE HAVE FOR ONE OF OUR OTHER TECH TWOS, WHICH IS A $1,200 A YEAR. THE HVAC TECHNICIAN. HE IS OBVIOUSLY A LICENSED JOURNEYMAN HVAC TECH. 
          SO HE. HIS IS 3600 A YEAR, BUT THE EPA CERT IS THAT $1,200 A YEAR? I GUESS THAT'S LIKE 50 BUCKS A PAYCHECK. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS ITEM. YEAH, $50 PER PAY PERIOD GOING TOWARD A, A A CERTIFICATION PAY FOR AN INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS AN EPA LICENSE THAT ALLOWS HIM TO BUY REFRIGERANT COMMITTEE DID NOT RECOMMEND APPROVING THIS BECAUSE THERE ARE ALREADY TWO PEOPLE IN THE DEPARTMENT THAT RECEIVE TWO DIFFERENT CERTIFICATION PAYS, BUT RECEIVE TWO LEVELS OF CERTIFICATION PAY THAT ALLOW THEM TO MAKE THE SAME PURCHASE. SO THAT IS, I THINK IT WAS THE FEELING OF THE COMMITTEE. IT WAS A LITTLE REDUNDANT. HOWEVER, IT IS A FAIRLY SMALL TICKET ITEM AND HAVING SOMEBODY ON STAFF THAT CAN PURCHASE REFRIGERANT IS A HUGE SAVINGS TO THE TUNE OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS A YEAR, OR THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS EVERY TIME THEY HAVE TO BUY A CANISTER REFRIGERANT. THE STUFF IS EXPENSIVE. AND AS MR. SIBLEY MENTIONED, THEY THEY WILL MARK IT UP IF AND YOU PAY FOR A SERVICE CALL IF SOMEBODY ELSE HAS TO COME OUT AND INSTALL. SO THAT'S THE PROS AND CONS. THE COMMITTEE DIDN'T INCLUDE THIS IN. WE DID TALK ABOUT IT IN THE COMMITTEE, BUT I'LL. I'LL OPEN THAT UP FOR FURTHER OPINION OR COMMENT FROM THE COURT. IF Y'ALL WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH IT. YOU'VE GOT 
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TWO THAT ARE CERTIFIED RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE THIS YEAR WOULD BE A GREAT YEAR TO. I MEAN, I WANTED TO MENTION THIS BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE THE DECISION MADE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER REGARDING IT. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS IN THERE. SO AT LEAST GET CONFIRMATION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. YES, SIR. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYBODY THAT SUBMITTED A BUDGET THIS YEAR. THE FACT THAT WE WERE SENDING OUT RESPONSES UNTIL 430 OR 5, THE DAY BEFORE WE STARTED THE PRESENTATION IS ABNORMAL. SO EVERYBODY HAD LESS TIME TO RESPOND. I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT BACK. I THINK THERE'S I'LL ECHO COMMISSIONER HOWELL'S COMMENTS AND KIND OF WHAT WE SAID AT THE COMMITTEE, THAT IT'S A LITTLE REDUNDANT. I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE YEAR TO DO THAT. BUT MAYBE WE CAN RECONSIDER IN THE FUTURE IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO. THE NEXT ONE WAS THE UNIFORM INCREASE THAT WAS IN THERE IN THAT SLIDE. BUT I DID ADD THIS LITTLE ASTERISK OF PENDING PERSONNEL DECISIONS. THAT WAS ONLY TO ACCOUNT FOR THE REQUEST OF THOSE THREE POSITIONS. SO IF THOSE POSITIONS ARE NOT ADDED IN THIS BUDGET, THAT $1,000 CAN GO AWAY. IS THERE ANOTHER SLIDE IS GOING TO DEAL WITH PERSONNEL OR ANYTHING? YES, SIR. OKAY. YEAH. THIS WAS JUST COPY AND PASTE. I'VE GOT ANOTHER. I'LL TRY TO BURN THROUGH THEM FAIRLY QUICKLY, BUT I DO HAVE ANOTHER 12 SLIDES. I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LITTLE BIT. ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO ADD, THE DUES AND CONFERENCES WE HAD ORIGINALLY REQUESTED TO INCREASE THAT ANOTHER TEN 000 TOTAL. THE IDEA WAS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE OUR MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT, EACH ONE, BE ABLE TO GO TO SOME SORT OF SPECIAL SPECIAL CLASSES FOR TRAINING ON HVAC, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, MECHANICAL, THINGS LIKE THAT. WE'RE TOTALLY GREAT WITH THE 5000. IT'S A GOOD START. MAYBE AS THE YEARS GO ON, WE MAY BE ABLE TO JUST KIND OF STAGGER AND EACH YEAR MAYBE ADD A LITTLE BIT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE EACH EMPLOYEE HAVE SOME SORT OF FOCUSED TRAINING. YES, SIR. 
          THAT WAS THE THE CONVERSATION. AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE IF YOU DIDN'T GET A WHOLE LOT OF FEEDBACK ON THAT. BUT GIVEN THE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS, I THINK WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE COULD MOVE THAT FAR. BUT MAYBE ADDING 5000 WAS ENOUGH TO GET YOUR MAINTENANCE, TAKE TWO POSITIONS, SOME TRAINING THIS YEAR. AND THEN AGAIN, TALK ABOUT POTENTIALLY BUILDING ON THAT NEXT YEAR. YEAH, WE HAD, I STARTED DOING MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH ALL THE GUYS, KIND OF JUST SEEING, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD KIND OF WHAT WOULD HELP THEIR KIND OF JOB SATISFACTION, WHAT DO THEY THINK WOULD HELP IMPROVE? WHAT WOULD THEY LIKE TO SEE IN NEARLY ALL OF THEM? UNIVERSALLY, IT ASKED FOR SOME SORT OF TRAINING ON SPECIFIC THINGS THAT MAYBE THEY'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH. SO THAT FELT KIND OF LIKE A NO BRAINER. SO WE'LL WORK, START WORKING ON THAT. AND YEAH, JUST KIND OF STAGGER THAT UP. I DID HEAR THERE WERE SOME CONVERSATIONS YESTERDAY ABOUT THE MAIL ROOMS VAN THAT WAS LIKE A 2014, ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, YEAR AND A HALF, I THINK IT WAS MAYBE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. WE DID HAVE TO HAVE THE TRANSMISSION REWORKED, AND THAT COST ABOUT $4,500. IT WAS, I THINK MAYBE A MONTH AFTER THAT ONE YEAR WARRANTY ON THE TRANSMISSION, IT STARTED KNOCKING, RIDING REAL BAD. AGAIN. WE'VE TAKEN IT TO JEFF ENGLAND. THEY HAVE RECOMMENDED A FULL TRANSMISSION REPLACEMENT AND QUOTED US ABOUT $9,000 TO FIX THAT. WE KIND OF FELT, GIVEN THE TWO PRICES, IT MIGHT NOT BE A BAD IDEA TO TRY TO PUSH FOR THIS SMALLER VEHICLE. IT'LL HAVE SOME SORT OF THREE FIVE YEAR WARRANTY OR WHATEVER THE THE RUNNING STANDARD IS FOR THOSE VEHICLES. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO Y'ALL'S ATTENTION. I DIDN'T HEAR ANY OPPOSITION IN YESTERDAY'S COURT ABOUT ADDING THAT VEHICLE. SO NO, I THINK WHEN WE CLARIFIED THAT IT WAS A 12 YEAR OLD VEHICLE, I THINK IT'S INCLUDED WITHIN THE BUDGET, AND I THINK IT WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, ESPECIALLY IF THE ONE YOU HAVE IS PENDING A REPAIR. THAT'S YES, 40% OF THE COST OF A NEW VEHICLE. WE'RE LEGGING IT ALONG, BUT IT'S NOT THE NOT THE SMOOTHEST RIDE. SO WE'LL GET INTO SOME OF THE PERSONNEL REQUESTS. JUST AN OVERVIEW. WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE IN SOME OF THESE CONSTRUCTION UPDATES OR DEPARTMENT OVERVIEWS. FACILITIES MAINTAINS ABOUT 468,000 SQUARE FOOT WITH ABOUT 1,000,000 SQUARE FOOT OF PROPERTY SPANNING ABOUT 20 BUILDINGS. WHEN WE LOOK AT CUSTODIAL REQUESTS, MAINTENANCE REQUESTS, OR EVEN JUST HOW WE OPERATE IN GENERAL, BETWEEN THOSE TWO DEPARTMENTS, THE A PPA IS KIND OF THE THE RUNNING STANDARD THAT WE GO OFF OF THAT IS THEY SET THE STANDARDS AND PROCEDURES FOR MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE, CUSTODIAL LANDSCAPING, MAINLY FOR SCHOOLS, SCHOOL DISTRICTS, COLLEGES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THAT'S BEEN THE EASIEST ONE THAT WE FOLLOW. THAT ACTUALLY KIND OF LAYS OUT THE MATH BEHIND ASKING FOR EMPLOYEES, THEIR INDUSTRY STANDARD. AND THAT'S KIND OF A ROLLING STANDARD DEPENDING ON SPACE NEEDS. AND I'LL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT HERE IN A MINUTE. BUT TYPICALLY THE CUSTODIAN, IT'S ONE FOR EVERY 26,000 SQUARE FOOT. AND THAT IS MAINTAINING THE LEVEL OR IN BETWEEN KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, WHICH WE SIT IN BETWEEN. THERE'S FIVE LEVELS OF, OF CLEANING STANDARDS, AND WE SIT BETWEEN 2 AND 3. AND THEN FOR MAINTENANCE, IT'S ONE TECH FOR EVERY 50,000 SQUARE FOOT. IT'S CUSTODIANS. LIKE I SAID, THE APA STANDARDS TYPICALLY WOULD BE ABOUT 16.7. CURRENTLY WE HAVE 14 EMPLOYEES. WE TALKED ABOUT SPREADING THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT, NOT CLEANING EVERY 
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OFFICE EVERY DAY, YOU KNOW, JUST BASICALLY WHERE THE, THE FOOT TRAFFIC AND THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, IN THIS BUILDING PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOT TO BE AND THAT COULD BE A COST SAVINGS AND CERTAINLY A WAY TO BETTER UTILIZE YOUR WHAT YOU DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SO AND THAT'S, THAT'LL BE AS I KIND OF GO THROUGH, I HAD KIND OF LAID OUT WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT BECAUSE ORIGINALLY THE REQUEST WAS FOR TWO CUSTODIANS AND I'LL KIND OF I DID LAY OUT ONE. THAT SECOND CUSTODIAN WOULD MORE FOR THE TIME BEING, ACT AS A ROVER AND KIND OF HELP ASSIST WITH COLLINS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND B, PREPARE US FOR WHEN THAT 110 BUILDING IS ACTUALLY BUILT. WE WOULD NOT NEED TO REQUEST AN EMPLOYEE AT THAT TIME, BUT I WILL HAVE KIND OF THE LAYOUT OF WHAT CURRENTLY OUR CUSTODIANS ARE ASSIGNED TO. WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE IF WE'RE ADDING AN EMPLOYEE AND WHAT I'M GOING TO PROPOSE IF WE'RE NOT, AS WELL AS THE DISCUSSION, WHAT THE COURT'S GOING TO DECISION TO BE MADE IS SOME LOWERING SOME OF THAT CLEANING STANDARDS AND MAKING SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO WHAT DEPARTMENT, HOW WE CLEAN, WHAT TIME WISE AND EVERYTHING MAINTENANCE. LIKE I SAID, WE'VE WE'VE REQUESTED IN THIS BUDGET FOR A MAINTENANCE SUPERVISOR. WE COULD TOTALLY. ALL RIGHT. WITH PUSHING THAT DOWN THE ROAD RIGHT NOW, APA STANDARD HAS IT AT 9.3. WE'VE GOT EIGHT EMPLOYEES. THAT SUPERVISOR WOULD ALSO ACT AS NOT ONLY A DIRECT LEADER FOR THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT, BUT ALSO ACT AS AN EMPLOYEE AND COMPLETE WORK ORDERS. SO THAT WOULD FILL THAT NEED AS FAR AS WE KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN THE MAINTENANCE PART, UNTIL WE GET THAT PRECINCT THREE CAMPUS ADDED, WE WOULD NOT I DON'T MAYBE EVEN AT THAT POINT WE MAY. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY NEED ANOTHER EMPLOYEE SHORT OF IF WE'RE BEING ASKED TO MOW ALL OF THE THAT WHOLE PROPERTY, WE MAY ASK FOR LIKE A LANDSCAPER OR SOMETHING AT THAT POINT, BUT WE CAN CROSS THAT BRIDGE. YOU'RE WORKING FIVE DAY WORK WEEKS. YES, SIR. YEAH, WE TRIED THE 410 THING. IT JUST DIDN'T WORK OUT. THERE WAS TOO MANY TOO MUCH TIME SAVED UP BETWEEN A LOT OF EMPLOYEES. SO WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE WORKING THREE DAY WEEKS INSTEAD OF FOUR. AND SO IT LASTED ABOUT 4 OR 5 MONTHS. AND WE KIND OF JUST SAID, NOW LET'S GO BACK TO LET'S GO BACK TO NORMAL. SO OKAY. THANK YOU. WE LEARNED, WE LEARNED OUR LESSON FROM THAT ONE. SO LIKE I SAID, WE, WE WERE REQUESTING TWO CUSTODIANS AND A MAINTENANCE SUPERVISOR, THE CUSTODIANS. SO THE TWO BUILDINGS WE'VE BEEN AT, WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO ADD NEW MEDICAL EXAMINERS BUILDING AND ADDING CONSTABLE ONE INTO OUR NORMAL CLEANING SCHEDULE. BOTH OF THESE BUILDINGS, AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED, WOULD BE CLEANED PROBABLY 2 OR 3 TIMES A WEEK. LIKE I SAID, THESE WERE NOT. WE. 
          WE DON'T CLEAN THESE BUILDINGS CURRENTLY, BUT THIS WOULD. THE TWO CUSTODIANS WOULD ALLOW US TO MAINTAIN OR EVEN IMPROVE OUR CURRENT CLEANING STANDARDS AND HELP US WHEN WE ARE WHEN WE HAVE PEOPLE CALL IN OR WE HAVE UNFILLED POSITIONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. LIKE I SAID, THE MAINTENANCE SUPERVISOR PROVIDES SOME DIRECT LEADERSHIP TO THE MAINTENANCE TEAM AND ALLOW ME SOME GREATER FOCUS ON CONSTRUCTION CAPITAL PROJECTS, BECAUSE AS OF NOW, I MANAGE THEM. AND SO I'LL HAVE A SLIDE LATER ALSO KIND OF SHOWING TENTATIVELY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ALL OF OUR FUTURE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS ARE GOING TO BE, AND THERE WILL BE A SEASON WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE A LITTLE CRAZY. SO WITH THE I'LL GO TO THAT KIND OF MIDDLE SLIDE OR THE MIDDLE OF THOSE THREE, WHICH IS IF WE GET THE ONE CUSTODIAN, WE'D BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN NEW BUILDINGS. WITH THESE CURRENT STANDARDS, WE WOULD HAVE LIMITED SUPPORT FOR WHEN WE HAVE CUSTODIANS OUT FOR COLLINS OR DIFFERENT THINGS. AND EVEN AS OF NOW, RIGHT NOW, WE ACTUALLY HAD A CUSTODIAN QUIT THIS WEEK. SO WE'VE GOT ONE OF OUR MAINTENANCE GUYS ACTING AS A CUSTODIAN. AND THEN, YEAH, LIKE I SAID, WE ARE KIND OF YOU GET IN THIS KIND OF HOLD DOWN THE FORT MODE WHERE WE'RE JUST KIND OF TRYING TO DO THE BARE MINIMUM IN SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERY BUILDING GETS TOUCHED AND EVERY BUILDING CLEANED. IF WE DO NOT ADD PERSONNEL, THE STANDARDS FOR HOW WE CLEAN, KIND OF LIKE WHAT COMMISSIONER BAILEY SAID WOULD NEED TO CHANGE. SOME BUILDINGS MAY GO UNCLEAN, FOR EXAMPLE. I MEAN, TODAY WE HAVE THREE. WE HAD TWO CUSTODIANS OUT FOR BEING WITH FAMILY, FOR SURGERY. ONE'S OUT ON VACATION. LIKE I SAID, ANOTHER ONE HAS JUST QUIT. SO WE HAVE ACTUALLY FOUR CUSTODIANS OUT TODAY. IF WE'RE IN A SCENARIO LIKE THAT AND WE'RE SHORT STAFFED THERE, MAYBE BUILDINGS THAT WE MAY JUST BE PULLING YOUR TRASH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE'RE NOT CLEANING IT ALL. THAT BUILDING MAY GO CLEAN, UNCLEAN FOR A FEW DAYS OR SOMETHING, AND THERE'S ALWAYS A CHANCE THAT WE WILL SEE SOME INCREASED COMPLAINTS FROM CITIZENS, EMPLOYEES, DEPARTMENT HEADS ABOUT THEIR CLEANLINESS OF THEIR BUILDING. WOULD YOU NOT AGREE THAT. IT WOULD DEFINITELY MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE EIGHT THAT YOU DO HAVE, OR SEVEN UNTIL YOU GET THAT OTHER ONE HIRED TO SPREAD THIS THESE BUILDINGS OUT A LITTLE BIT. YOU KNOW, THIS MAY NOT BE THE YEAR, BUT WHEN THOSE OTHER BUILDINGS COME ONLINE, THIS WILL BE A STILL A GOOD PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST MY $0.02 FOR WHERE WE ARE WITH WHAT 
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WE'RE TRYING TO WORK AND ACCOMPLISH ON THIS LEAN BUDGET. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. COMMISSIONER. 
          AND THAT WAS THAT'S THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD AT THE BUDGET COMMITTEE WAS ESPECIALLY AS IT BECAME CLEAR THIS IS A CHALLENGING BUDGET YEAR, ADDING IT'S NOT LONG TERM VIABLE TO ADD A CUSTODIAN OR TWO EVERY YEAR TO CONTINUE MAINTAINING PRIVATE OFFICES TO THE SAME LEVEL THAT WE MAINTAIN PUBLIC SPACES. AND SO IF YOU USE THIS BUILDING AS AN EXAMPLE, OBVIOUSLY THIS ROOM, THE PUBLIC RESTROOMS, THE PUBLIC AREAS, PUBLIC FACING AREAS OF THE BUILDING NEED TO BE CLEAN AND PROFESSIONAL, BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY MAYBE NEED 150 LITTLE TRASH CANS AT EVERY DESK AND DESKS BEING WIPED DOWN, CLEANED PRIVATE BATHROOMS, WHICH THERE ARE IN THIS BUILDING BECAUSE IT WAS BUILT A HUNDRED YEARS AGO, BEING CLEANED EVERY DAY. I THINK THERE THERE'S SOME COMPROMISES THAT CAN BE MADE FOR THE WAY THAT WE TREAT PRIVATE OFFICE SPACES VERSUS PUBLIC SPACES WITHOUT, AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT A DIRTY ENVIRONMENT. WE DON'T WANT TO UNPROFESSIONAL ENVIRONMENT. BUT THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION AT THE BUDGET COMMITTEE AND THE REQUEST TO MR. SIBLEY. THIS DIDN'T HE DIDN'T GENERATE THIS. THIS WAS THE COMMITTEE ASKING HIM TO COME BACK AND TELL US WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IF WE ADD POSITIONS OR DON'T ADD POSITIONS, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, I THINK THAT'S THE COURT'S GOT TO BEAR THE CONSEQUENCES OF THOSE DECISIONS. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THIS CAME FROM. AND I'LL STOP TALKING AND TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU, MR. SIBLEY. SO WHAT I'VE GOT HERE IS WHAT THE A PPA KIND OF LISTS AS LEVELS OF CLEANLINESS AS WELL AS WHAT THAT LEVEL IS EXPECTED PER SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR EMPLOYEES. LEVEL ONE IS OBVIOUSLY PRETTY UNREALISTIC. WE WOULD HAVE 30 PLUS CUSTODIANS OR SOMETHING IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT. THAT DOESN'T SEEM REALISTIC. WE TRY TO SIT BETWEEN LEVEL TWO AND LEVEL THREE BECAUSE OF THAT. 
          THAT IS A LIKE THAT IS THE END THE STANDARD FOR EACH LEVEL. BUT THERE IS A ROLLING. IT IS KIND OF A ROLLING LEVEL DEPENDING LIKE THIS BUILDING OR THE GWEN, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT PUBLIC SIDE, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OFFICE SPACE. IT'S BIG OPEN AREAS. THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENT DOES WIDEN QUITE A BIT. SO YOU'LL SEE WHEN I HAVE, I'LL BE LISTING WHAT CUSTODIANS WE HAVE AT EACH BUILDING. SOME OF THEM IT MAY SEEM QUITE EXTREME. SOME OF THEM IT MAY NOT BE THAT, YOU KNOW, SQUARE FOOTAGE WISE, CRAZY AT ALL, BUT TALK THROUGH EACH OF THOSE. 
          LIKE I SAID, AS OF NOW, WE TRY TO SIT HALFWAY IN BETWEEN LEVEL TWO AND LEVEL THREE. THIS IS OUR CURRENT ASSIGNMENT. THIS IS KIND OF HOW WE'VE GOT EVERYBODY RIGHT NOW. YOU'LL SEE THE THE GWEN, WE'VE GOT FOUR EMPLOYEES AND ABOUT 112,000 SQUARE FOOT. SO IT'S A LITTLE OVER 26 ISH THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT PER EMPLOYEE. SAME THING WITH THE COURTHOUSE. BUT AS I SAID, THE THESE BUILDINGS, YOU HAVE THESE BIG, WIDE OPEN AREAS THAT COULD GET AWAY WITH YOU JUST RUNNING A PUSH BROOM AND DOING SOME EASY MOPPING. THERE'S NOT INDIVIDUAL OFFICES, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, ADULT PROBATION, YOU COULD THEORETICALLY ADD 10,000 SQUARE FOOT TO THAT BECAUSE NEARLY ALL OF THAT BUILDING IS OFFICE SPACE WITH INDIVIDUAL OFFICES. THE ANNEX THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THE FIRST FLOOR IS A BIG WIDE OPEN AREA. SO WE'VE GOT ONE EMPLOYEE THERE, SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THEY OF THAT BUILDING ALONE IS 56, 57,000 SQUARE FOOT. SO EVEN AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS, THAT BUILDING SHOULD HAVE TWO EMPLOYEES NOT DOING ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE SERVICE CENTER, WHICH WOULD BE SHERIFF'S AND JUVENILE. BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THAT CUSTODIAN, DOES ONE OF THEM DOES EOC AND 911 AS WELL. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THERE NOT USE TRUSTEES TO DO ANY CLEANING. THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, FROM WHAT WE WERE TOLD, BECAUSE OF THE SEA JUST REQUIREMENTS, THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO HAVE INMATES OR ANYTHING IN THOSE BUILDINGS. SO THIS IS IF WE WERE ADDING AN EMPLOYEE, YOU'D SEE A LITTLE BIT OUR. WE HAVE THAT MIDDLE POSITION, THE CONSTABLE SLASH ROVER, I SAID. THE ROVER FILLS IN WHEN WE HAVE PEOPLE OUT AND RUNS AROUND. SO THAT EMPLOYEE WOULD BE ADDRESSING THAT NEED. 
          AND THEN WE TRIED THE THE MAIN THING, THE MAIN NEED FOR THAT CUSTODIAN WAS THEY WOULD BE THE CUSTODIAN WOULD BE OVER THE EOC 911 AND THAT NEW MEDICAL EXAMINER'S BUILDING. AND THAT STILL SITS THEM AT ABOUT THAT 20, ALMOST 20,000 SQUARE FOOT. JUST FOR THAT ONE EMPLOYEE. I CAN MOVE ON TO THIS NEXT ONE IF YOU'D LIKE. THIS IS IF WE HAVE NO EMPLOYEES AND I HAVE A LITTLE ASTERISK BECAUSE NO EMPLOYEES, LIKE I SAID, WE WOULD HAVE TO, WE WOULD LOSE A ROVER SO WE WOULD NOT HAVE COVERAGE. IT WOULD BE MUCH HARDER TO COVER BUILDINGS WHEN WE HAVE CUSTODIANS CALL IN. AND THEN I HAVE THIS LITTLE DOUBLE ASTERISK ON THE GWEN, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE COMMITTEE WAS KIND OF ASKING, HOW CAN WE DO THIS LOWER, YOU KNOW, LOWER STANDARDS IN CERTAIN BUILDINGS, BUT KIND OF LEAVE SOME BUILDINGS UNTOUCHED. ONE OF THEM MAINLY BEING THE GWEN. IT'S JUST WITH THAT BUILDING HAVING SO MANY EMPLOYEES, IT'S JUST THE EASIEST ONE FOR US TO STEAL FROM TO HELP OUT SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS. SO THERE I IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME TO SEE A SCENARIO WHERE IF WE'RE SHORT STAFFED, THAT THAT BUILDING 
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DOES NOT GET IMPACTED. AND SO, I MEAN, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT IF THIS YEAR WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET A CUSTODIAN. THIS IS KIND OF THE LAYOUT THAT WE'VE GOT. IF YOU ALL HAD ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS OR KIND OF HOW THIS LAYOUT WOULD WORK, THE COURTHOUSE WOULD TAKE OVER EXTENSION. WE WOULD CHANGE OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE BIT HERE, AND I'VE GOT SOME SLIDES LATER TALKING ABOUT HOW WE CAN OPTIMIZE AND, AND MOVE FORWARD. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. IS THERE ANY ABILITY FOR YOUR CUSTODIAN AND ALVARADO. I KNOW THAT'S A SMALLER BUILDING. AND THEN TWO THIRDS OF THAT BUILDING IS CLOSED ON FRIDAYS ANYWAY. THEY THEY OPERATE FOUR DAYS A WEEK. IS THERE, IS THERE ANY ABILITY FOR THAT PERSON TO PICK UP SOME OF THE SLACK AS WELL? WE DISCUSSED THAT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE WE WHERE I, I DIDN'T ADD IT IN HERE. I HAD IT AT ONE POINT AND I TOOK IT OUT. BUT IF WE ADDED, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTABLES OR SOMETHING, I WAS GOING TO SEE IF WE COULD REQUEST EVEN JUST A SURPLUS VEHICLE THAT COULD JUST BE STATIONED OUT IN ALVARADO. I MEAN, THE THAT CUSTODIAN LIVES IN ALVARADO. IT WOULD BE KIND OF FAIRLY INCONVENIENT FOR THEM. I THINK THERE'S SOME IT'S THEIR SPOUSE WORKS OVERNIGHTS. SO THERE IS LIKE A LITTLE OVERLAP. IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO DRIVE HERE. BUT IF WE HAD A VEHICLE FOR THEM THAT THEY COULD JUST TAKE TO AND FROM THERE, THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY INCREASE SLIGHTLY. FUEL COSTS, NOT A CRAZY AMOUNT, BUT THAT IS AN OPTION THAT WE HAD BEEN CONSIDERING. SO THAT WOULD PROBABLY WE WOULD PUSH FOR TO DO THAT. CONSTABLE ONE'S OFFICE MAYBE ON A FRIDAY, BUT WE WOULD STILL I MEAN, IF IF THAT CUSTODIAN'S OUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS OF SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS MAY BE IMPACTED WHERE THEY JUST MAY BE THE NEXT WEEK OR WHENEVER THAT PERSON WOULD BE ABLE TO COME BACK OUT. HEY, CODY, JUST LOOKING AT THIS AND A SUGGESTION QUESTION. YOU'VE GOT ONE AT THE ELECTIONS. JP ONE THE BROWN GYM AND 911. AND THEN YOU GOT ANOTHER ONE AT THE EOC. WOULDN'T THE 911 BE BETTER. 
          YEAH. IT'S JUST GIVEN HOW MUCH I TRIED TO EVEN THEM OUT AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE. THAT EOC IS ABOUT A 600 ZERO SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. AND THEN OF COURSE, THAT THE DISPATCH CENTER IS ABOUT EIGHT. BUT THERE YOU GOT TWO OF THEM RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO EACH OTHER. AND SO WE TRIED TO I JUST IN THIS, WE JUST TRIED TO SPACE IT OUT TO TRY TO GET THOSE SQUARE FOOTAGES BETWEEN THOSE TWO EMPLOYEES FAIRLY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER SO THAT THEY'RE NOT NOT ONE DOESN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, 20 OR 30 SOMETHING THOUSAND THAT THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT THAT'S A, IT'S A WEIRD LITTLE BALANCING ACT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO PLAY THIS NEXT SLIDE GOES BACK TO THAT A PAPPA STANDARDS. AND I HAD THESE LITTLE COLOR CODED THINGS. THE GREEN IS KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. AND THAT ALSO, EVEN WITH THE, WHAT THE FULL TIME EMPLOYEE THING THAT DOES STILL DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR TRYING TO THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE FULLY STAFFED FOR EACH BUILDING. 
          THAT'S NOT IF YOU HAVE CALL INS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO RIGHT NOW, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE SIT. I BELIEVE IN OUR CLEANING STANDARDS. WHEN WE HAVE CALL INS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE ARE. WE'RE IN THAT YELLOW WITH THE THE NEW PROPOSAL, WE WOULD ACTUALLY PROBABLY BE SITTING IN THAT YELLOW CONSISTENTLY. AND THEN WHEN WE ARE SHORT STAFFED OR SOMETHING, THAT WAS IS WHEN WE WOULD POTENTIALLY START DROPPING INTO THAT LEVEL FOR KIND OF DANGER ZONE, WHICH I WENT AND LOOKED AT IT. I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD ANY LESS THAN TWO CUSTODIANS OUT IN A GIVEN WEEK SINCE MARCH. THERE'S ALWAYS 1 TO 2 CUSTODIANS OUT IN A GIVEN WEEK. SO THERE WOULD BE TIMES EVERY WEEK WHERE SOME BUILDINGS MAY NOT GET ANY SERVICE AT ALL, OR WE WOULD HAVE TO REALLY GET CREATIVE. SO THIS NEXT SLIDE KIND OF HAS SOME OF THAT OPTIMIZATION. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BATHROOMS. CURRENTLY THEY'RE CLEANED EVERY DAY. SOME BUILDINGS, IF THEY'RE VERY HIGH TRAFFIC, HIGH VOLUME, THEY'RE CLEANED AT THE BEGINNING. AND THEN RIGHT AFTER LUNCH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT PUBLIC, THE NEW PROPOSAL WOULD BE THE PUBLIC BATHROOMS ARE CLEANED EVERY DAY, BUT EMPLOYEE BATHROOMS MIGHT BE CLEANED TWICE A WEEK OR AS NEEDED. VACUUMING. THEY VACUUMED PRETTY MUCH EVERY DAY. WE WOULD TRY TO SHIFT THAT TO PUBLIC AREAS THREE TIMES A WEEK, EMPLOYEE AREAS BIWEEKLY OR MONTHLY. THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, A DISCUSSION OR DECISION THAT'S MADE HERE. OUR DEPARTMENT CAN MAKE THAT DECISION BASED ON THE THE BUILDING ITSELF. SAME THING WITH DUSTING. WE TRY TO DUST PRETTY MUCH ALL AREAS ONCE A WEEK, BUT WE COULD CHANGE THAT TO WHERE THE PUBLIC'S DUSTED ONCE A WEEK AND THE EMPLOYEE AREAS BIWEEKLY OR MONTHLY. SO YOU WILL SEE A SLIGHT INCREASE IN DUST. SAME THING MOPPING. WE WANT TO KEEP MOPPING THE BATHROOMS AT LEAST A FEW TIMES A WEEK. CURRENTLY, WE DO IT EVERY DAY, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, MIGHT NEED TO BE CHANGED SLIGHTLY. HALLWAYS. WE COULD CHANGE THAT TO OR HALLWAYS, LOBBIES, COMMON AREAS CHANGE THAT TO BIWEEKLY, FROM WEEKLY TO BIWEEKLY. THIS NEXT SLIDE WOULD HAVE THE GREATEST IMPACT ON OPTIMIZATION AND HELPING US SUBSTANTIALLY. BUT I DO THINK YOU WOULD SEE A LITTLE BIT OF PUSHBACK FROM DEPARTMENT HEADS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THAT WOULD THE JUDGE KIND OF MENTIONED THAT BRIEFLY, BUT IT WOULD IMPACT THEM. TRASH PICKUP. CURRENTLY, WE PICK UP 
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TRASH EVERY DAY. OUR RECOMMENDATION. AND IT WOULD BE THE THE GREATEST IMPACT WOULD BE TO REMOVE ALL PERSONAL BINS FROM EACH OFFICE. WHEN YOU HAVE THE ANNEX, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE GWEN ADULT PROBATION. THOSE ARE HUNDREDS OF OFFICES THAT EACH ALL HAVE INDIVIDUAL BINS. 
          SOMETIMES IT CAN TAKE THE. GWEN. I THINK IT TAKES AT LEAST AN HOUR ON EACH FLOOR TO TO PLACE ALL THOSE. GET RID OF ALL THOSE BINS. SO AND IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO PROBATION BECAUSE THEY HAVE SO MANY OFFICES, WE WOULD REQUEST TO MAYBE GET RID OF ALL THOSE PERSONAL TRASH CANS AT EACH OFFICE AND SET UP SOME SORT OF ONE OR MORE 55 GALLON BINS IN AN OFFICE, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING EOC, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY MAY PROBABLY ONLY NEED 155 GALLON BIN. SOME OF THE OTHER SOME AREAS OF THE. GWEN, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE EIGHT TOTAL ON EACH FLOOR OR SOMETHING. STILL DOING THE PUBLIC EVERY DAY, BREAK ROOMS THREE TIMES A WEEK, DEPARTMENTS TWICE A WEEK, MAYBE TUESDAYS AND FRIDAYS, EVEN THE BREAK ROOMS. AND THAT STILL MAY BE. AND MAYBE KEEPING TABS ON IT. BUT TWO TIMES A WEEK, TUESDAY, TUESDAY, FRIDAYS SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE. ONE OF THE THINGS FOR THE DEPARTMENTS, WHAT WE KIND OF PUT ON THE DEPARTMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY WAS TAKING ANY ANY FOOD AND DRINK, EITHER NOT EATING IT AT YOUR DESK OR TAKING IT TO THE BREAK ROOM TRASH AND NOT HAVING ANYTHING. NO PERISHABLES IN THOSE DEPARTMENT TRASH CANS SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF SPACE THAT OUT. SO YOU DON'T HAVE ROTTEN FOOD SITTING IN A TRASH CAN ALL WEEK, SHRED BINS, EMPTY THEIR OWN SHRED OR RECYCLE AND BREAK DOWN THEIR OWN BOXES. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S GOT ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S TOO MUCH TO ASK. WELL, AND YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY REMOVE ALL THE BINS, BUT THEY CAN HAVE A BIN AT THEIR DESK AND THEN THEY CAN GO TO THE BIG ONE AND DUMP IT. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THE IDEA WAS JUST THAT WOULD SAVE OUR PEOPLE THE MOST TIME IS TO NOT HAVE TO GO TO EACH INDIVIDUAL OFFICE WE ALREADY DO AND TRASH THAT BIN. WE DO OUR OWN CLEANING. AND THERE MAY BE SOME LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE EOC, THAT THEY HAVE A DUMPSTER RIGHT ON THEIR BACK. THEY MAY BE ABLE TO TAKE THEIR OWN TRASH THEMSELVES, AND THAT WOULD SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PERFECT ANSWER IS, BUT ARE YOU SAYING THAT SUM TOTAL OF WHAT, FOUR MAN HOURS A DAY ARE EMPTYING TRASH CANS IN THE. GWEN, THAT'S A HALF FULL TIME EQUIVALENT, WHICH MEANS COUNTYWIDE WE MUST BE SPENDING ONE AND A HALF. TWO PEOPLE. 
          THEIR WHOLE JOB IS EMPTYING TRASH CANS. WE TRIED TO ESTIMATE. I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU'RE GOING TO BE TALKING TO WHOEVER'S IN THAT OFFICE. THEY MIGHT KNOW. SO WE ADDED IN THE LITTLE THE CHITTER CHATTER BETWEEN THE CUSTODIAN AND THE EMPLOYEE. I MEAN, YOU GET THAT PUSHBACK. JUST TELL THEM TO COME SEE US, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S A 100, $150,000 A YEAR WE'RE SPENDING ON EMPTYING TRASH CANS. SO THAT WAS I MEAN, THAT WE FELT LIKE IF WE CAN GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF, THAT SAVES OBVIOUSLY THE CUSTODIANS A LOT OF TIME. AND IT JUST SHIFTS THAT MEANING, SHIFTS THE CLEANING STANDARD TO SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE MANAGEABLE, OR I CAN'T HELP IT LESS COMPLAINING. SO OKAY, BUT THAT WAS PART OF THE THING IS THAT THESE DECISIONS WE WERE GOING TO MAKE, IF WE, IF WE MOVED ON THEM, I THINK YOU WOULD SEE A LOT OF UNHAPPY PEOPLE. AND SO I WOULD HATE TO HATE TO THROW Y'ALL UNDER THE BUS, BUT I WOULD RATHER THAT FALL ON Y'ALL THAN ON US AND KIND OF HAVE THE BE ABLE TO DIRECT THE COMPLAINTS SOMEWHERE INSTEAD OF JUST BEING A COUNTY JUDGE'S OFFICE. 
          PRECINCT THREE. SO. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. HE'S TAKING AWAY MY COMPLAINT DEPARTMENT BOX. SO AND THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THAT'S ALL WE'VE GOT IN TERMS OF LIKE OPTIMIZATION. OF COURSE, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS OR ANYTHING, WE WOULD BE. I'LL GO WITH THIS. I THINK YOU GO WITH YOUR RECOMMENDED PLAN. OKAY. YEAH. PERFECT. WELL, I JUST I DID ALSO WANT TO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BE LOWERING THE CLEANING STANDARDS, KIND OF SOME OF THE REASONS AGAINST IT. IF THERE WAS ANYTHING, SOMETIMES THE BUILDINGS WILL APPEAR, RUN MORE, RUN DOWN. I MEAN, THERE, THERE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE MORE DUST. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LITTLE. IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE DIRTY. IT MIGHT TAKE LONGER TO GET THINGS CLEANED IN TERMS OF OBVIOUSLY YOU WE MIGHT SEE AN INCREASE IN PEST CONTROL. I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GIVEN. AND THEN OF COURSE, LIKE I SAID, INCREASED COMPLAINTS FROM CITIZENS AND EMPLOYEES IMPACTS UNSANITIZED SURFACES AND LOWER AIR QUALITY. IT LIKELY WOULD COME IN, YOU KNOW, INCREASE CALL INS FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS. THAT'S KIND OF THE ONE OF THE UNSEEN THINGS IS CUSTODIANS. OBVIOUSLY, THEY HELP, YOU KNOW, KEEP PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING JUST BY KEEPING EVERYBODY HEALTHY AND FROM GETTING SICK, SAID NO ROVER POSITION. THAT MEANS MAINTENANCE STAFF WOULD HAVE TO COVER DURING OUR CALL INS, WHICH ALSO NEGATIVELY IMPACTS WORK ORDERS, WHICH THEN NEGATIVELY IMPACTS THE MAINTENANCE OF THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, WHICH IT KIND OF CREATES THIS LITTLE VICIOUS CYCLE THAT WE WOULD BE GETTING INTO. AND THE LAST SLIDE IS JUST THE UPCOMING PROJECTS. I THINK I DID HEAR YESTERDAY THAT THERE WAS A BUILDING WE WERE LOOKING AT PURCHASING THAT WE LIKELY WON'T BE MOVING FORWARD WITH NOW. SO I DID REMOVE THAT FROM HERE. BUT THIS WAS ALSO PARTIAL JUSTIFICATION FOR THE 
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MAINTENANCE SUPERVISOR. THIS WOULD ALLOW ME TO FOCUS MORE ON THESE PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY IN 2027 WITH THE COURTHOUSE GRANT PRECINCT THREE REALLY STARTING TO ROLL UP ON THAT. THE POTENTIAL FOR EOC OR ELECTIONS. I DIDN'T KNOW HOW QUICKLY WE WERE GOING TO MOVE ON THAT. SO BUT I MEAN, IT COULD BE LIKE 2027, 2028, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND OF COURSE, THE 110 BUILDING WILL BE IN THE BIG MAJOR THROES OF CONSTRUCTION IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. BUT THAT IS ALL I HAD FOR MY PRESENTATION. AND IF THIS IF THIS CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE IS NOT ACCURATE, I WOULD LOVE CLARIFICATION BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF JUST FROM MY OWN UNDERSTANDING. AND I CAN DO WE PROVIDE CUSTODIAL SERVICES. YOU MAY HAVE COVERED IT AND I MISSED IT, BUT DO WE PROVIDE SERVICES FOR THE THE OLD HOME BUILDING AT THE GWEN, WHICH IS NOW CASA AND UNITED WAY? NO, THEY THEY OVERSEE THEIRS. THEY COVER THAT. YES, SIR. I KNOW SOME OF THE TENSION WITH THIS ISSUE. I THINK IT'S TIMELY. I THINK IT WAS CITY OF FORT WORTH WAS JUST IN THE NEWS EARLIER THIS WEEK ABOUT RENEWING THEIR CONTRACT. THEY. THEY DO CONTRACTED CLEANING SERVICES AND THERE WAS SOME COMPLAINTS THAT THE SERVICE THEY USE PAYS THEIR PEOPLE $12 AN HOUR. AND THEY CONSIDER IT A LIVING WAGE. AND CITY OF FORT WORTH TO BE 20 OR $22 AN HOUR. 
          AND SO THERE WAS THERE WAS SOME CITIZEN OUTCRY ABOUT THAT. BUT THERE'S ALSO A REMINDER THAT A LOT OF OTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITIES AND LARGER BUSINESSES USE NIGHTTIME CLEANING SERVICES INSTEAD OF IN-HOUSE CUSTODIANS. I DON'T THINK WE WANT THAT. I DON'T WANT TO ADVOCATE FOR THAT. 
          BUT AT SOME POINT, IF WE AREN'T CONSERVATIVE IN THE WAY THAT WE GROW THAT DEPARTMENT, THE DIFFERENCE IN COST BETWEEN DOING IT IN-HOUSE AND CONTRACTING IT OUT BECOMES LARGER AND LARGER, AND IT BECOMES HARDER AND HARDER TO JUSTIFY. SO, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE COMMITTEE AS WELL, THAT THIS IS NOT A JOHNSON COUNTY WANTS TO CHEAP OUT ON CLEANING ITS BUILDINGS. RIGHT. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS TO WORK IN A DIRTY ENVIRONMENT. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS TO HAVE OTHER PEOPLE WORKING IN A DIRTY ENVIRONMENT. BUT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A MIDDLE GROUND WHERE I DON'T NEED SOMEBODY TO CLEAN MY OFFICE FOR ME, EVEN THREE DAYS A WEEK. IF SOMEBODY CAME BY ONCE A WEEK, THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          BUT WE DO NEED PEOPLE TO CLEAN THE BATHROOMS HERE TWICE A DAY BECAUSE HORRIBLE THINGS HAPPEN IN PUBLIC BATHROOMS. I HAD NO IDEA UNTIL I WORKED IN A PUBLIC BUILDING. IT'S ASTONISHING. AND SO SORRY THAT THAT'S ON THE RECORD NOW, BUT IT IS. I SPENT 30 YEARS IN PUBLIC EDUCATION. 
          YOU TALK ABOUT, WELL, WE WON'T TALK ABOUT IT, BUT BUT I'VE ALSO WORKED IN SOME OTHER DISTRICTS THAT DID CONTRACT OUT CUSTODIAL SERVICES. I'D NEVER RECOMMEND THAT. I AGREE, I DON'T WE DON'T WANT WE'VE GOT SO MANY SIEGES COMPLIANT BUILDINGS. WE. YOUR BUILDINGS SIT UNCLEANED ALL DAY. AND SO IF THERE IS A DISASTER IN A PUBLIC AREA, THAT DISASTER IS GOING TO WAIT UNTIL THE NIGHTTIME CREW COMES AND CLEANS IT UP AND YOU'RE GOING TO YOUR EMPLOYEES ARE GOING TO DEAL WITH IT. WE DON'T WANT TO MOVE THERE, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING WORTH HAVING A REAL DISCUSSION ABOUT IN COURT. I THINK OUR BUILDINGS ARE VERY CLEAN. I'VE NEVER HEARD A COMPLAINT. I'VE CERTAINLY NEVER HAVE HAD A COMPLAINT ABOUT ANY I MEAN, ANY PORTION OF ANY BUILDING, PUBLIC BUILDING, BEING, NEEDING, NEEDING ATTENTION. THEY'RE ALL I THINK WE DO A GREAT JOB ON THAT. SO. HAVE YOU GIVEN ANY THOUGHT OR DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD HAVE ANY SUCCESS WITH A PART TIME CUSTODIAN IF YOU SCHEDULED OUT HOURS TO FILL IN WHEN PEOPLE ARE TAKING OFF, AT LEAST WHEN YOU KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE A VACATION DAY OR SOMETHING? IS THAT. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK THERE ARE CERTAIN SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS WE COULD DEFINITELY LIKE THE SMALLER ONES. THEY COULD THERE'S, THERE'S SOME THAT, LIKE IF THEY DEVOTED A SET AMOUNT OF TIME, IT WOULDN'T TAKE THEM. THEY COULD BE DO IT ALL IN LIKE THE MORNING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE, WE COULD DEFINITELY WORK WITH ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO, WANTED TO GIVE US FOR SURE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE COURT HAS ANY FEELINGS ABOUT THAT. I JUST I KNOW THE THE DIFFERENCE IN COST BETWEEN A FULL TIME CUSTODIAN AT $40,000 A YEAR, PLUS HEALTH INSURANCE PLUS RETIREMENT, WE'RE TALKING 70, $75,000 A YEAR IN TOTAL COMPENSATION, WHERE IF WE BUDGETED 20 HOURS A WEEK AT $20 AN HOUR, YOU'RE TALKING A $20,000 EXPENSE. THERE'S STILL SOME FRINGE THAT GOES WITH THAT, BUT A THIRD OF THE COST TO HAVE A PART TIME PERSON THAT THAT AGAIN, MAYBE IF YOU IF THEIR SCHEDULE, IF IT WAS SOMEBODY THAT WAS WILLING TO DO THAT AND YOU COULD SCHEDULE THEM WHEN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TAKE OFF AND HAVE THEM REPORT TO A DIFFERENT BUILDING. 
          I DON'T KNOW, I JUST I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'D EVER CONSIDERED OR IF THAT WE DID. I JUST FIGURED THAT WOULD BE THE EASIER ONE TO BE SHOT DOWN SO THAT THERE WAS CONSIDERATION FOR THAT. BUT WE JUST DIDN'T REQUEST IT BECAUSE WE JUST KIND OF THOUGHT IT WOULD KIND OF GET KILLED. BUT IF THAT IS AN OPTION, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD BE WE WOULD LOVE THAT. 
          YEAH, WE COULD TAKE THAT AND WE COULD DEFINITELY DO A LOT WITH THAT. MATT SMITH JUST SAID TO 
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TELL YOU HIS YOUR QUOTE ON THE PUBLIC BATHROOMS BEING A. GREAT FRONT PAGE. ANDREW IS GOING TO BE SO PROUD. YES. THERE YOU GO. MATT. WELL, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, WE'RE JUST GOING TO CALL IT A DAY NOW. ALL RIGHT. SO I DON'T KNOW. DID ANY OF YOU ALL HAVE I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE REST OF THE COURT. THE COMMITTEE TALKED ABOUT IT. WELL, I JUST I MEAN, WE DID TALK ABOUT IT AND I AND I THINK IT'S IT'S WORTH GIVING THIS A TRY WITH WITH CURRENT AND JUST SEE WHERE IT GOES. WE KNOW THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO NEED ANOTHER EMPLOYEE ONCE WE GET THESE OTHER, YOU KNOW, THE OUT HERE, THE MEDICAL EXAMINER MOVED AND AND SOME OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, ARE GOING TO COME ONLINE. BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. AND I REALLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE HOW IMPORTANT IT IS THAT EMPTY YOUR OWN TRASH CAN, YOU KNOW, JUST TO, JUST TO NO MATTER WHO THAT IS. NOT THAT HARD, YOU KNOW, BUT BUT I THINK WHAT'S LAID OUT, JUST TRY TO WORK WITH WHAT WE GOT, TRY THIS NEW FORMULA AND SEE IF IT WORKS. WE'LL KNOW WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE GOING TO BE FOR SURE. NEXT. GO AROUND. WELL, AND I KIND OF, I THINK WHAT I HEARD, AND IT WASN'T EXACTLY WHAT WAS PRESENTED, BUT IF EVERYBODY KEPT THEIR TRASH CANS AND FACILITIES ONLY EMPTIED PRIVATE TRASH CANS ONCE A WEEK, THAT CREATES A WHOLE POSITION WORTH OF TIME. I, I THINK THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE. AND IT DOES REQUIRE PEOPLE TO KEEP THEIR OWN WORKSPACES TIDY. I DON'T THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MY MOM DOESN'T WORK HERE. SHE IS LIVING, BUT SHE DOESN'T WORK HERE. YEAH, RIGHT. SHE DOESN'T CLEAN UP AFTER ME. AND SO WE DO HAVE SOME PARENT CHILD COMBOS THAT WORK AT THE COUNTY. SO I'M NOT GOING TO SAY NOBODY'S MAMA WORKS AT THE COUNTY. BUT DID MATT GET THAT TOO? RIGHT UNDER THE OTHER? YEAH. YOUR MAMA DOESN'T WORK HERE. I'M LOOKING. 
          QUIT WHILE YOU'RE AHEAD, JUDGE. I'M DONE. WE GOTTA TURN THESE MICROPHONES OFF. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST LIKE RICK AND I ARE BACK AND FORTH LOOKING AT EACH OTHER. YOU KNOW, WE DO OUR OWN. I DUMPED MY OWN TRASH, DUST OFF MY OWN DESK, SWEEP MY OWN FLOOR. YEP. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S MY, YOU KNOW, OUR OFFICES ARE SORT OF OUR SECOND HOME. YOU KIND OF WANT IT CLEAN. AND, YOU KNOW, PRECINCT BARNS. WE DON'T HAVE CUSTODIAL SERVICE, BUT WE GET IT TAKEN CARE OF. I'LL HAVE THE INMATES COME THROUGH ON FRIDAY. USUALLY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. MOP. JUST MOP THE MOP THE BATHROOM. JUST WELL, YEAH, THE BATHROOMS AND THE FOYER WHERE THEY COME IN TO. YOU KNOW, THEY WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC TRAFFIC, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME COME IN LOOKING FOR A CULVERT, YOU KNOW, FOR A CULVERT OR SOME OF THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. BUT IT'S NOT A NOT A DAILY GRIND, LIKE. I, THAT'S MY $0.02. WELL, WITH A, WITH AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE IMPACT IS OF MAKING PERSONNEL DECISIONS, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE AT THE BUDGET PROCESS RIGHT NOW. THE BUDGET DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR ANY NEW EMPLOYEES AND FACILITIES. THE. I THINK THE COMMITTEE HAD DISCUSSED ADDING AT LEAST ONE ONE WARM BODY AND HAD DISCUSSED KIND OF HOW TO TO DO THAT. AND THEN WHEN WE GOT REVENUE NUMBERS BACK, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS PULLED BACK. SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, I THINK WE CAN DIG INTO THAT MORE DEEPLY. AND IF NOT, THEN IT MAY BE SOMETHING WE WANT TO REVISIT AGAIN AS WE GET CLOSER TO OCTOBER 1ST OF OFFICIALLY HAVING THE COURT ADOPT SOMETHING THAT CHANGES LEVEL OF SERVICE. AND LIKE YOU SAID, AND I AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PARTIALLY CAME FROM ME AND NOT NECESSARILY MR. SIBLEY, BUT WE'RE THE ONES MAKING THE DECISION. THE COURT NEEDS TO OWN THAT, COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE EMPLOYEES, AND THEN THEY NEED TO DIRECT COMPLAINTS TO US. 
          IT'S IT'S I THINK IT'S ENTIRELY REASONABLE. IT'S ENTIRELY WITHIN OUR AUTHORITY AND WHAT WE DO TO ASSIGN RESOURCES TO MR. SIBLEY, IT WOULD BE UNREASONABLE TO ASK HIM TO EVERY YEAR DO MORE WITH LESS. HE CAN. HE GETS THE RESOURCES AND HE ALLOCATES THEM THE BEST THAT HE CAN. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO DENY PERSONNEL REQUESTS, THEN THAT THOSE DECISIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. AND SO I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHERE THAT CAME FROM. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO GIVING HIM MANPOWER. IT'S JUST I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE YEAR. AND IF I WAS, I MIGHT WOULD THINK ABOUT THE PART TIME ONE JUST TO OFFSET WHEN SOMEBODY IS OFF OR, OR WHATEVER, 
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BUT OR EVEN TO FILL IN, YOU KNOW, HEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BUSY BECAUSE THEY'RE MAKING A MESS IN THE BATHROOMS AT THE COURTHOUSES. SO THE, THE PART TIME ONE CAN GO CLEAN THEIR OTHER BUILDING OR WHATEVER. BUT THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING I THINK I COULD LOOK TOWARDS. I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY ELSE'S OPINION ON THAT. I TEND TO AGREE. AND COMMISSIONER BAILEY, YOU DID MENTION THAT MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE THAT IS SLATED TO COME ONLINE ABOUT THE FIRST OF THE FISCAL YEAR, SO THAT THAT IS ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE'RE ADDING. THAT'S THE ONLY NEW SQUARE FOOTAGE ANTICIPATED DURING THE FISCAL YEAR. BUT THERE IS SOME ADDED CAPACITY THERE. I, I COULD BE CONVINCED THAT A PART TIME POSITION, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN FIND SOMEBODY, IT'S HARD TO HIRE PART TIME. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE HEARD REPEATEDLY FROM RANDY IS IT'S HARD TO FIND PART TIME PEOPLE, BUT MAYBE A WAY WE COULD TRY SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE FEELS YAY OR NAY ABOUT SOMETHING. WE COULD SUPPORT A PART TIME. BUT THERE AGAIN, THAT'S STILL WE'RE STILL ADDING TO THE SALARIES WE ARE. AND BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT OUR FACILITIES TO GO UNCLEANED OR UNTOUCHED. YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S NEW OFFICE AND BUILDING WILL COME ONLINE DURING THIS BUDGET THAT WE'RE CREATING RIGHT NOW. BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE THE. WE'RE STILL WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT HUGE DEFICIT WE'RE UNDER. BUT BUT I. I MIGHT BE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT A PART TIMER IF THE COURT'S COMFORTABLE WITH IT. LET'S, LET'S DELAY MAKING AN ACTUAL DECISION. LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. JUST THAT ITEM, A POTENTIAL PART TIME CUSTODIAN TOMORROW AFTER THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAVE PRESENTED. I'LL TELL YOU, OUR BUDGET ALWAYS HAS OPERATING RESERVE AND PERSONNEL RESERVE THAT ARE BUDGETED. THERE'S POTENTIALLY A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY IN THE AMOUNT THAT WE BUDGET THERE. THERE'S I DON'T THINK THERE'S A WHOLE FULL TIME POSITION WORTH OF RESERVES SET ASIDE THERE. WE DON'T HIDE ANYTHING IN THE BUDGET, BUT I WANT TO HEAR ALL THE REQUESTS BEFORE WE ADD ANYTHING MORE BACK IN. YEAH, BECAUSE I, I AGREE WITH THAT. THEY WERE A LOT OF WORTHY REQUESTS FROM A LOT OF OFFICES. 
          AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY, OH YEAH, YOU KNOW, LET'S SQUEEZE THIS ONE IN AND SQUEEZE THIS ONE IN, AND THEN WE'RE HALF $1 MILLION OUT OF WHACK BY THE END OF THE WEEK. THAT'S THAT'S NOT THE DIRECTION WE NEED TO. I DON'T THINK STEVE'S WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE REAL NUMBERS ON THE CERTIFIED ROLL AND WHAT'S THE REAL NUMBERS ON THE. I GUESS THE. INCOME, I GUESS AS FAR AS. 
          THE NEW. THE NEW GENERATED GROWTH, WHERE ARE WE AT ON THAT? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE NUMBERS ARE REFLECTING WITHOUT ALL OF THE NEW GROWTH. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHERE WE'RE WHERE WE WHERE HOW CLOSE ARE WE GETTING BASED ON WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED WITH THE JAIL AND WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE CURRENT, WHAT YOU HAD CALCULATED. WE ARE THE PRESENTED BUDGET WAS FULLY FUNDED. I'M NOT GOING TO RECALL SOMETHING THAT'S NOT FUNDED. SO YEAH, THAT TWO WEEKS AGO, HAVING A $17 MILLION DEFICIT THAT WAS THAT'S WHAT WE SPENT THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS TRYING TO BRING THAT INTO ALIGNMENT AND BROUGHT SOMETHING BACK. SO IT IS FULLY FUNDED THE WAY THAT IT IS. YOU ASKED ABOUT NEW CONSTRUCTION. I BELIEVE WE'RE IN THE $900 MILLION RANGE IN ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION. I WAS EXPECTING A BILLION. AND WHAT ABOUT THE AMAZON OVER THERE? WHEN WILL THAT ACTUALLY COME ONLINE AS FAR AS ANY GENERATED REVENUE STREAM FOR THIS COUNTY? SO THE BUILDING ITSELF SITS WITHIN A TRS OR TIF. WE DON'T CONTRIBUTE 100%, BUT WE PARTICIPATE WITH THE CITY OF CLEBURNE. SO IT I DON'T I DIDN'T LOOK AT THAT PARTICULAR ITEM, BUT I WOULD ANTICIPATE IT HAD VERY LITTLE IMPACT ON THIS YEAR'S, THIS YEAR'S NEXT YEAR IT SHOULD, NEXT YEAR IT SHOULD. AND ALL THE BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY. SO THEIR AUTOMATION AND THEIR ROBOTS AND THINGS ARE NOT PART OF THE TIF THAT. SO THAT WILL BE COUNTY REVENUE. 
          THAT SHOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE AS WELL. A HUGE DIFFERENCE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE 1000 EMPLOYEES THAT ARE GOING TO LIVE IN THE COUNTY THAT ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S THAT'S AN ECONOMIC SHOT IN THE ARM. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. I KNOW THAT I THINK IT'S THIS MONTH THERE, THEY'RE POSSIBLY GOING TO BE ABOUT 25% IN OPERATION OVER THERE. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S COME JANUARY 1ST, THEY SHOULD BE ON A MAYBE A 50%. AND THAT SHOULD BE A GOOD 
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REFLECTION GOING IN NEXT YEAR. I'M NOT SURE THAT IS IF IT'S A 25% OR 50%. DO YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WAS 25%. I THINK WE INCREASED TO 50%. I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. I THINK I THINK THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER TOO, BUT STILL THE THE NUMBERS THAT WILL BE CALCULATED AND REFLECTED ON THAT FOR NEW GROWTH OR NEW REVENUE IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HELP PERSONAL PROPERTY IN THERE BE HUGE THOUGH. YES, THAT WILL PROBABLY EXCEED THE COST OF THE BUILDING. 
          IF THEY'RE AS FULLY AUTOMATED AS THEY ENTERED AT. OKAY, WELL, THAT THAT ACTUALLY CONCLUDES WHAT WE HAVE FOR TODAY. WE HAVE ANOTHER 3 OR 4 OFFICES SET TO PRESENT TOMORROW MORNING, BUT WE WILL THE INTENT IS TO COME BACK 9:00 TOMORROW MORNING. WE'RE POSTED FOR OUR FINAL DAY OF WORKSHOP. WE CAN REVISIT ANY OF THE ITEMS THAT THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED TODAY. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S I DIDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME WE NEEDED TODAY. AND THEN I'M DOUBLE BOOKED WITH A COG MEETING THIS AFTERNOON. SO WE'RE I THINK WE'RE DONE FOR TODAY. UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT BEFORE WE WRAP UP. WE DID. KENNY AND I VISITED BRIEFLY THIS MORNING EARLY ON, BEFORE WE EVER REALLY STARTED GETTING INTO THE BUDGET PROCESS. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TAKING SOME MONEY AND JUST BUT BUT I THINK JUST LEAVE HIS ALONE. I THINK THERE WAS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT COMING BACK INTO FM. LR AND WHAT WHAT KENNY AND I WERE DISCUSSING IS JUST SPLIT THAT THREE WAYS THAT GIVE US A LITTLE BIT. I JUST, YOU KNOW, WANT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THE SAME THING I DONE ONCE BEFORE WHEN THERE WAS A HALF A PENNY OR WHATEVER. AND I SAID, HEY, Y'ALL, I TOLD Y'ALL DIRECTLY TO I MEAN, THESE OTHER GUYS HAVE MUCH MORE ROAD, BIGGER PRECINCTS. I HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND I STILL HAVE A LOT OF UPKEEP. BUT I WAS LOOKING EARLIER ON THAT LIST AND THE FM LR IS GOING TO GROW. I THINK FROM 12.6 TO 13 ONE. IT'S ABOUT $910,000. YES SIR. THAT NUMBERS. YEAH. BUT ANYWAY, WE DISCUSSED IT AND AND I'LL CERTAINLY VERIFY THAT THAT WHATEVER THAT GROWTH IS, JUST JUST LEAVE MINE LIKE IT IS OR ALONE. BUT ADD THAT GROWTH TO, TO ONE, THREE AND FOUR. OKAY. AND THAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE. Y'ALL GOOD WITH THAT. YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. 
          STEVE. WE WILL GET IT DONE. OKAY. AND IT'S GREATLY APPRECIATED. AND I KNOW IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING FOR THEM GUYS TOO, BUT YOU KNOW, JUST A WELL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, NEW CHIP SPREADER, $400,000, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, EVERY, EVERY, EVERYTHING THAT, THAT WE, WE RUN, THEY MAY, THEY, THEY, THEY AGE OUT OR, OR THEY, OR YOU CAN'T GET PARTS FOR THEM. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T GET PARTS. THAT'S A PROBLEM. I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT SOME BOBTAIL TRUCKS THAT. WELL, THEY'RE HAVING TO GO TO ME. WE'RE HAVING TO GO TO JUNKYARDS TO FIND MY DISTRIBUTOR TRUCK AT THE FIRST OF THE YEAR. AND NOW, AS RICK MENTIONED, MY, MY CHIP SPREADER, THE, THE DISTRIBUTOR TRUCK STILL RUN FINE AND WORK. I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS FINE EXCEPT THE COMPUTER AND ALL THE PARTS THAT GAUGE ALL WHAT YOU'RE SHOOTING, YOU CAN'T GET ANY MORE. AND IN ORDER TO UPDATE THAT AND TO CHANGE IT ALL OVER, IT WAS HALF THE PRICE OF BUYING A NEW ONE. SO I BOUGHT A BOUGHT A NEW ONE THAT'S FOR 50 AND A NEW CHIP SPREADERS FOR 50. THAT'S $1 MILLION. AND THE CHIP SPREADING EQUIPMENT, THE PRICE OF OIL IS SKYROCKETED TO. I MEAN, YOU GET A TANKER OF OIL OUT HERE. YEAH, WELL, WE'RE IN COMPETITION NOW. 
          IT'S GETTING CRAZY. COUNTIES LIKE I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER THIS YEAR, COUNTIES THAT DIDN'T HAVE MONEY THAT HAVE THIS NEW GROWTH. NOW THEY'RE ABLE TO COME BACK AND AND DO CHIPS THAT THEY NEVER DID BEFORE. THEY JUST HAD A ROAD GRADER OUT THERE AND BLADED ROAD BASE AND ADDED TO THAT. AND, BUT NOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GROWING AND, AND GOT A LITTLE INCOME. SO THEY'RE IMPROVING THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL. SO IT'S A COMPETITION NOW WITH SURROUNDING COUNTIES, I'LL SAY THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE MOST SURPRISING THINGS ABOUT ATTENDING. I WENT TO THE COMMISSIONER TRACK AT THE NORTH AND EAST CONFERENCE INSTEAD OF THE JUDGE TRACK, SO I COULD WATCH, SO YOU COULD SEE WHAT WE REALLY DO DAY TO DAY. YES. I WAS TRYING TO KEEP AN EYE ON YOU GUYS. EVERYBODY. Y'ALL ALL MADE THE CLASS. I'M VERY PROUD. 
          NO, THE NUMBER OF COUNTIES, THEY RAISE THEIR HAND AND SAID THEY HAD DIRT ROADS, THE DIRT COUNTY ROADS, THEIR COUNTY MAINTAINED IN THE SENSE THAT THEY RUN A BLADE OVER THEM AND DUMP SOME GRAVEL EVERY FEW YEARS. AND THEY'RE ALL NOT ALL. SEVERAL OF THEM SEEM TO HAVE PLANS ON HOW TO BRING THOSE INTO BEING PAVED ROADS IN THE FUTURE, BUT I JUST I HAD NO IDEA. I THINK Y'ALL OUGHT TO BE PROUD OF THE ROADS Y'ALL MAINTAIN, AND THE CITIZENS OUGHT TO BE AWARE THAT OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR ROLES WOULD BE A LOT MORE DIFFICULT IN THOSE 
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POSITIONS. I, I'VE GOT FRIENDS ALL OVER THE STATE THAT ARE IN THOSE POSITIONS AND THEY COME UP HERE FOR A VISIT AND THEY'RE JUST LIKE, MAN, SURE. I MEAN, WE, WE MAYBE SOMETIMES GRUMBLE ABOUT COUNTY ROADS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT INTERSTATES, BUT MY GOODNESS, THEY'RE ALSO NOT DIRT COW PATHS THAT WE'RE HAVING TO TAKE CLADDING OFF IN THE DITCH WHEN IT RAINS, TRYING TO GET AMBULANCES DOWN ON GRAVEL ROAD TO RESPOND TO PEOPLE. YEAH. AND I WAS OUT THERE IN PARMER COUNTY NOT LONG AGO FOR A FUNERAL. AND THAT'S WHERE KIRK FRIES, COMMISSIONER. AND HE WAS ACTUALLY AT THE FUNERAL, TOO. HE WAS A PAVED ROAD TO THE CEMETERY. AND I SAID, KIRK, I THOUGHT YOU SAID ALL YOUR ROADS WERE DIRT ROADS. HE SAID, THEY ARE, EXCEPT THE ONE TO THE CEMETERY. SO IT'S A, IT'S A HE'S GOT EVERY BIT OF IT. DIRT, DIRT ROADS. WOW. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER THINGS FOR TODAY. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE GOING TO ADJOURN. IT IS 1137. WE WILL COME BACK TOMORROW ON A NEW AGENDA AT 9 A.M. AND I THINK WE'LL WRAP UP THE REST OF THESE PRESENTATIONS, HOPEFULLY BE DONE AT LEAST
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