Aug 07, 2026 Special Commissioner's Court

[CALL TO ORDER]

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EVERYBODY. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL TO ORDER THIS MEETING OF THE JOHNSON COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT. IT IS FRIDAY, AUGUST 7TH, AND IT IS 9 A.M. HERE IN THE COMMISSIONERS COURT ROOM. WE HAVE CALLED TO ORDER. WE'RE PICKING UP FOR OUR THIRD DAY OF BUDGET WORKSHOP TODAY. I WILL NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSIONERS COURT ARE PRESENT, AS WELL AS OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS AND DEPARTMENT HEADS NECESSARY FOR TODAY'S BUSINESS. MISS REED, HAVE WE HAD ANYONE SIGN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT, NO

[WORKSHOP]

YES, SIR. VERY. I MEAN, I I'M STILL AM I THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RECURRING? YEAH, THE RECURRING AND WHAT'S NEW AND WHAT'S OLD, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. GOTCHA. YES. I CAN TELL YOU WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET OR NOT IN THE BUDGET. AND LET ME WE WILL GET THAT. I'LL MAKE SURE Y'ALL HAVE THAT IN WRITING. BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT'S NEW OR NOT NEW, I'M GOING TO DEFER TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THAT WAS A WE STRUGGLED TO IDENTIFY EXACTLY WHAT WERE THE NEW ITEMS AND NOT NEW ITEMS IN THAT PROCESS AS WELL. WITH THAT. OKAY, WE DO HAVE ONE ITEM RELATED TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE THAT REQUIRES ACTION THIS MORNING WHERE WE ARE POSTED FOR ACTION OUT OF WORKSHOP RELATED TO BUDGET ITEMS. IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAME UP YESTERDAY AND I DON'T RECALL LIEUTENANT HOGAN, I DON'T KNOW, DID WE TALK ABOUT THIS IN COURT OR DID YOU COME TELL ME THIS AFTER COURT? OKAY. SO IF I CAN HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE COME FORWARD, THE AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH BUYING LAW ENFORCEMENT VEHICLES FOR A LONG TIME NOW. THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE PLACED AN ORDER FOR A VEHICLE. IT SITS FOR SOMETIMES MONTHS BEFORE THE ORDER IS FULFILLED. LIEUTENANT HOGAN HAS FOUND VEHICLES ON SITE ON THE GROUND THAT ARE AVAILABLE TODAY AND HAS. HE AND I SPOKE YESTERDAY. THEY'RE REQUESTING TO GET AUTHORIZATION TO BUY THE VEHICLES, NEXT YEAR'S VEHICLES RIGHT NOW, BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE BUDGET AT ALL. IT JUST LETS THEM ISSUE THE PO AND START THE PROCESS OF PURCHASING.

PURCHASING THOSE VEHICLES TWO MONTHS EARLY TO JUMP AHEAD IN LINE FROM ALL THE OTHER AGENCIES THAT BUY VEHICLES STARTING OCTOBER 1ST. ARE THESE THE INTERCEPTORS OR THE TAHOES? WHAT ARE THEY? WE'RE GOING AWAY FROM TAHOES. THEY'RE TOO EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN. THEY WILL BE THE INTERCEPTORS. OKAY, SO THERE'S 14 ON THE GROUND AT SILSBEE, AND THERE ARE 52148 APIECE. AND IF WE CAN GET A POA PUT IN PLACE TODAY, THEY'LL GET THEM ON A TRUCK NEXT WEEK AND BE THEY OUTFITTED. NO, NO, THEY WOULD BE AT THAT PRICE. SO WHAT'S THE OUTFIT COST. IT'S $33,000 AND SOME CHANGE. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT FIGURE. SO THE ONES THAT YOU HAD OR YOU WERE GOING TO ORDER THOUGH THEY WERE GOING TO COME ALREADY PRE OUTFITTED. YES. SO THE SAME THE SAME COMPANY WILL OUTFIT THEM. OKAY. IT'S THE THE COST OF THE VEHICLE. IF YOU LOOK IN, I DON'T HAVE MY PAPERWORK. THE QUOTE WAS FOR 518 FOR THE VEHICLE, BUT THERE WAS A $2,000 INTEREST RATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO. SO IT WAS ACTUALLY 538 TO PURCHASE THESE VEHICLES, BUYING THEM OUTRIGHT AND NOT NOT WAITING TO PAY FOR THEM. WE ACTUALLY SAVED $2,000 PER VEHICLE ON. SO IT'S ACTUALLY COMING IN UNDERNEATH. ARE THEY 26 MODELS? THE ONES WE BUY RIGHT NOW WILL BE 26. WHAT IS THAT TOTAL PER UNIT COST WITH AND WITHOUT THE OUTFIT. SO THE

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IF WE CAN GET 26 MODELS. I DON'T SEE WHY NOT. YOU KNOW, THERE WERE 25 I'D ARGUE. SO I BELIEVE TO TO STAY WITH FOR ACCOUNTING PURPOSES WE CAN ONLY GET NINE OF THEM RIGHT NOW. WE STILL HAVE TO ORDER TWO AFTER THE NEW YEAR. BUT FOR RIGHT NOW WE CAN GET NINE. AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE INTERPLAY BETWEEN OUR BUDGET AND THE SB 22 GRANT. THERE WERE A LOT OF PIECES THAT WENT INTO THAT, AND I KNOW WHEN LIEUTENANT HOGAN ASKED ME ABOUT THIS, I SENT HIM TO THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE TO MAKE SURE WE COULD DO THIS AND THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO IT IN A SMART WAY. THEY HAVE BLESSED THIS PLAN AS WELL. AS LONG AS THE COURT IS WILLING TO DO SO, THEN THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE WILL HAVE TO MAKE SEVERAL CHANGES BEHIND THE SCENES. BUT IT'S A NET ZERO IMPACT TO THE BUDGET. DO THE OUTFITTERS HAVE WHAT WE NEED IN STOCK FOR EVERY ONE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PURCHASE CURRENTLY? NO. WE'LL STILL HAVE TO GET IN LINE, BUT WE'LL BE THE FIRST IN LINE FOR THAT. THE THE PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE IF WE WAIT TILL TEN ONE TO PLACE OUR ORDERS A LOT. A LOT OF CITIES HAVE PLACED THEIR ORDERS ON NINE ONE. SO WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT 6 OR 8 MONTHS TO GET A CAR, AND THE OUTFITTER WILL NOT EVEN START ORDERING YOUR PARTS UNTIL THEIR CARS ON SITE. SO. AND THEN YOU'RE WAITING, YOU KNOW, 8 TO 10 WEEKS TO GET YOUR EQUIPMENT IN. SO THIS WILL PUT US HOPEFULLY 7 OR 8 MONTHS AHEAD OF THE SCHEDULE BY BY ORDERING THEM. NOW, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. IT'S A SMART WAY TO GO. I MEAN, WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT ON TWO, BUT TWO IS BETTER THAN 11. YEAH, YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THIS? I WILL NOTE, I THINK WE DID THE SAME THING LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE. WE'VE WE'VE TRIED TO WE'VE TRIED TO JUMP IN LINE BEFORE. I'M EXCITED THAT Y'ALL ACTUALLY FOUND THEM ON THE GROUND THIS YEAR BECAUSE THAT'S I THINK THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE. YEAH, WE, WE, WE TRY TO OUTFITTER THIS LAST YEAR AND IT DIDN'T WORK THE WAY WE PLANNED. WE'RE JUST NOW GETTING OUR 20 OUR FY 26 CARS. WE JUST GOT THREE OF THEM IN THIS WEEK.

AND I THINK WE'RE GETTING TWO MORE TODAY. SO WE'RE WE'RE STILL WAITING ON LAST YEAR'S CARS. BUT WITH THIS COMPANY, THEY'RE THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER OUTFIT AND I THINK THEY'LL GET US OUR CARS FASTER. SO. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THESE.

I MOVE TO APPROVE SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I'VE GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BAILEY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WILLEY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. I ALL OPPOSED BY THE SAME SIGN. ALL RIGHT.

THAT ACTION ITEM CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE BACK INTO WORKSHOP WHILE WE HAVE SHERIFF'S OFFICE REPRESENTATIVES HERE. COMMISSIONER WILLEY, YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT NEW PROJECTS, AS I UNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION, NEW PROJECTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET THAT THAT WE DIDN'T REALLY DIG INTO, AND MAYBE MISS QUIRK CAN ILLUMINATE. I KNOW I HAD REACHED OUT SHORTLY BEFORE WE STARTED UP HERE ABOUT NEW, NEW ITEMS, AND I THINK WHAT I GOT BACK INCLUDED SOME LIKE NEW TASERS THAT REPLACED OLD TASERS. I DON'T KNOW THAT NECESSARILY.

THAT'S AS INTERESTING TO THE COURT AS PERHAPS ANY BRAND NEW PROJECTS OR UNDERTAKINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IS THERE. YOU KNOW, I SEE THE RECURRING COLUMN AND THEN THERE'S SOME THAT ARE CODED AS ONE TIME, BUT I, I WAS UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT SOME OF THESE THAT WERE ACTUALLY CODED AS RECURRING WERE ACTUALLY NEW REQUESTS. AND I MISTAKEN WITH THAT. SO IF YOU WANT TO BE SPECIFIC, IF WE GO TO. THE FEES AND SERVICES ACCOUNT, 54,000 IN THE TOP LINE FOR THE 114. 137 ALL OF THOSE WE ALREADY HAVE. AND THAT'S A RECURRING EXPENSE. THE THE NEXT LINE, THE METALLICS FOR 220. WE ALREADY PAY THE FULL SUBSCRIPTION. THIS IS JUST AN INCREASE IN THE COST. AND SO THAT WILL BE A RECURRING COST. ALSO WITH THE NEXT LINE, THE.

OH, I SEE THAT'S JUST AN INCREASE. WE ARE ASKING FOR THE NEXT LINE FOR 15,000 FOR THE D FEES. THAT IS A NEW ITEM THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. BUT IN ASKING FOR, WE'RE ASKING THAT IT BE RECURRING. SO WE WOULD ASK FOR THAT. WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY ASK FOR THAT MONEY NEXT YEAR BECAUSE IF THE COURT APPROVES IT, THEN THAT WILL BE IN THE RECURRING FUNDS GOING ON NEXT YEAR. YES, BUT IT'S A NEW REQUEST THIS YEAR. THAT'S THE REASON THAT IT'S. YES, SIR. IF

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THANK YOU. OKAY. YES, MA'AM. WE'LL GIVE YOU SOME TIME. WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE FOR A WHILE.

SO YOU GO WHERE YOU NEED TO GO TO TAKE CARE OF YOU. WE WON'T FORGET ABOUT YOU. I'M GOING TO LET SOMEBODY ELSE SPEAK FOR JUST A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN WE'LL. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME TO USE MY OFFICE IF YOU NEED TO. AND THEN, I MEAN, THERE'S ALSO SOME OF THAT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN BASICALLY IN YOUR BUDGET COMMITTEE HAS BEEN DENIED.

THERE'S SOME OF THAT. THE. SO THE ITEMS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT. YES. SO THERE WERE THERE WAS THE FIRST SET OF REQUESTS TO HAVE FULL TRANSPARENCY HERE ON WHAT'S GOING ON. YES, SIR. NO, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FAIR. THERE WAS A FIRST SET OF REQUESTS. THERE WAS NOT A COMMITTEE MEETING. THERE WAS A SECOND SET OF REQUESTS THAT PAIRED THOSE THINGS DOWN. THAT IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THAT SECOND SET OF REQUESTS. IT IS IT REMOVED SEVERAL NEW PROJECTS. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT'S IN THIS SPREADSHEET AS IT WAS PROVIDED AND WHAT'S IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET? ARE THE. CAPITAL EQUIPMENT AND WELL, CAPITAL EQUIPMENT REQUESTS ON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE ADMIN SIDE. AND THEN ON THE JAIL SIDE, IT WAS THE. SEVERAL OF THE WE RAN OUT OF TIME IN THE COMMITTEE BEFORE WE GOT TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS WHY A LOT OF THIS IS NEW. A LOT OF THIS HAS TO BE HASHED OUT HERE. YES. OKAY. YEAH, WE WE COMMISSIONER BAILEY AND I WENT THROUGH AND DISCUSSED PERSONNEL REQUESTS AT THAT LEVEL BECAUSE THAT WAS THAT WAS THE PRESSING ITEM THAT WE HAD. BUT BEYOND THAT, YEAH, GOING THROUGH THE LINES, WE JUST RAN OUT OF TIME TO SPEND AS MUCH TIME ON THIS AS WE TYPICALLY WOULD HAVE. SO NO, I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION TO IT. AND WE'RE WE WILL COME BACK AND GO THROUGH THIS ADDITIONALLY.

AND I'LL, I MEAN, I ACKNOWLEDGE I MISSED SOME OF THAT WHEN IT CAME IN AND SAID RECURRING. WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T UNFUND SOMETHING THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN FUNDED. AND SO WE, WE TRIED TO SQUEEZE ALL OF THE THINGS IN. BUT I THINK THAT MAY HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, I MAY HAVE MISSED THE MARK ON THAT. SO I'M HAPPY TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION AS, AS IS LAID OUT HERE, EVEN IF IT'S NEW, IT SHOWS THAT THERE WILL BE REOCCURRING TO IT, BUT IT'S MIXED. IT'S IN WITH WHAT IS ALREADY FUNDED IN REOCCURRING. CORRECT. AND NOW WE'RE ADDING MORE SERVICES THAT WILL HAVE REOCCURRING TO IT. SO THERE'S THE CONFUSION. CONFUSION. YEAH, THAT'S THE CONFUSION. YEAH. I HAD A MEETING WITH THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE FOR HALF AN HOUR THIS MORNING. AND I THINK THE TAKEAWAY FROM THAT CONVERSATION WAS ACCOUNTANTS AND NON-ACCOUNTANTS SPEAK DIFFERENT LANGUAGES. AND SOMETIMES IT'S CONFUSING FOR ALL OF US. AND BELIEVE ME, I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT SITUATION. WELL, AND THAT'S YEAH, THE WORD RECURRING. I, I CAN SEE NOW BOTH DEFINITIONS AND I UNDERSTAND WHY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS WHEN WE, WHEN WE GOT THERE. BUT ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT FOR TO BE CLEAR ON THE RECORD, WE ARE BACK IN WORKSHOP, NOT IN ACTION. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER OFFICES THAT ARE GOING TO TALK WHILE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE CREATES THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR US. I WANT TO START WITH CONSTABLE WILLIAMS FOR PRECINCT THREE. CONSTABLE.

GOOD. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. GOOD MORNING. I KNOW THAT THIS IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN THIS YEAR, AND I'M WELL AWARE OF THE SHORTFALLS AND STUFF IN THE BUDGET. SO I AM GOING TO STILL REITERATE THE FACT THAT I NEED HELP. I'M HERE TO ASK FOR A FULL TIME DEPUTY CONSTABLE. I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE UNEXPECTED BUDGET ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP THIS YEAR, AND MONEY'S TIGHT.

KEEPING THAT IN MIND, I WOULD LIKE TO COURT TO UNDERSTAND I STILL NEED ANOTHER DEPUTY POSITION AT MY AGENCY. JUST LAST WEEK, I HAD TO EXECUTE A WRIT OF POSSESSION THAT TOOK SEVEN HOURS BY MYSELF. NORMALLY, A WRIT OF POSSESSION TAKES AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE. USUALLY IT'S MYSELF AND A DEPUTY. THIS IS FOR OFFICER SAFETY. DUE TO THE VOLATILE NATURE OF SETTING PEOPLE'S PERSONAL BELONGINGS OUT ON THE STREET AND REMOVING THEM FROM THE RESIDENCE BY COURT ORDER, SOMETIMES BY FORCE. THIS TIME I HAD ONE DEPUTY TAKING A VACATION DAY BECAUSE HE'S MAXED OUT ON HIS VACATION ACCRUAL, AND THE OTHER DEPUTY, WHO IS ONLY 11 HOURS AWAY FROM

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ABOUT TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO THAT, I HAD TO EXECUTE ANOTHER WRIT OF POSSESSION BY MYSELF BECAUSE OF ONE DEPUTY BEING IN COURT, AND THE OTHER WAS AT A MANDATED TRAINING CLASS. I ALSO HAVE SEVERAL ATTEMPTS, HAVE MADE SEVERAL ATTEMPTS TO SERVE PAPERS AFTERWARDS, AND FOR THE REST OF THAT WEEK, ON THE 19TH OF THIS MONTH, MY OFFICE HAD ANOTHER WRIT OF POSSESSION SCHEDULED THAT WOULD HAVE TAKEN SEVERAL DAYS TO COMPLETE. ALSO, WE HAVE HAD OR WE HAD BEEN ADVISED THAT TARRANT COUNTY PRECINCT SEVEN CONSTABLE'S OFFICE, THAT THE PERSON THAT WE WERE EXECUTING THE WRIT ON CAN BECOME VIOLENT AND HAS BEEN EXTREMELY AGGRESSIVE, ARGUMENTATIVE AND PROBLEMATIC DURING THE EXECUTION OF WRITS BY THEIR OFFICE. BOTH OF MY DEPUTIES AND I WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE, AND I HAD REQUESTED ADDITIONAL DEPUTIES FROM OTHER CONSTABLES IN OUR COUNTY FOR ASSISTANCE IN EXECUTING THIS WRIT. IT SHOULD BE THE EXCEPTION, NOT THE NORMAL OPERATION OF MY OFFICE, TO HAVE TO ASK FOR OTHER PRECINCTS TO HELP, BECAUSE I HAVE FEWER DEPUTIES THAN ALL THE OTHER PRECINCTS, EVEN THE PRECINCTS THAT HAVE LESS POPULATION THAN MINE. MY PRECINCT IS THE SECOND MOST DENSELY POPULATED ONE IN THIS COUNTY. IN FISCAL YEAR 2025, ALL THE CONSTABLES AGREED TO GIVE UP OUR RESERVE DEPUTIES IN EXCHANGE FOR ONE FULL TIME PAID DEPUTY. ALL OTHER PRECINCTS RECEIVED AT LEAST ONE DEPUTY POSITION. MY PRECINCT DID NOT, BECAUSE THE COMPUTER PROGRAM USED TO KEEP TRACK OF THE WORKLOAD IS NOT ACCURATE AND DOES NOT SHOW THE NUMBER FOR PAPERS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED IN OUR OFFICE. IT ONLY COUNTS THE ISSUE DATE ON THE PAPER, NOT THE DATE RECEIVED.

BECAUSE OF THIS, I WAS TOLD THAT THE NUMBERS DIDN'T SHOW A NEED FOR NEW DEPUTIES. ALSO, ALL THE CONSTABLE'S OFFICES EXCEPT MINE HAVE AN OFFICE MANAGER AND A CLERK. MY PRECINCT HAS AN OFFICE MANAGER AND NO CLERK. I HAVE NOT REQUESTED A CLERK AT THIS TIME, BUT WILL BE REQUESTING ONE NEXT BUDGET YEAR. I HAD MY OFFICE MANAGER COUNT ALL THE COVER SHEETS FROM PAPERS WE RECEIVED IN OUR OFFICE FROM TEN ONE OF 25 TO 8 FIVE OF 26. WE HAVE RECEIVED ABOUT A THOUSAND PAPERS SO FAR, AND THAT DOES NOT REFLECT THE NUMBER OF ATTEMPTS MADE ON THESE PAPERS AND THE COMPUTER PROGRAM. JUST SO Y'ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT NOT BEING ACCURATE. SHOWED I HAD RECEIVED OVER 1800, ALMOST 2000 PAPERS.

MOST PAPERS ARE NOT SERVED ON THE FIRST ATTEMPT. IT REQUIRES A DEPUTY TO GO TO THE ADDRESS SEVERAL TIMES TO GET THE PAPER SERVED, OR TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR REQUESTING AN ALTERNATE SERVICE FOR THAT PAPER, IF THAT IS EVEN AN OPTION. SOME PAPERS MUST BE SERVED IN PERSON AND CANNOT BE ALTERNATELY SERVED. THEREFORE, DEPUTY MUST ATTEMPT TO SERVE THOSE PAPERS EVERY DAY UNTIL IT EXPIRES, EITHER BY A COURT DATE PASSING OR THE TIME LIMIT ON THE PAPER ITSELF EXPIRES, WITH ONE DEPUTY IN COURT DAILY. THAT LEAVES MY PRECINCT WITH ONE DEPUTY AND MYSELF TO SERVE THE PAPERS THAT COME INTO MY OFFICE. I HAVE LITTLE TO NO TIME TO TAKE CARE OF ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES THAT I NEED TO TAKE CARE OF IN MY OFFICE, BECAUSE I AM NEEDED IN THE FIELD TO SERVE PAPERS AND ASSIST IN EXECUTING VARIOUS WRITS, NOT TO MENTION ASSISTING OTHER AGENCIES WITH VARIOUS CALLS FOR SERVICE. IT HAS BEEN STATED THAT AGENCIES THAT ARE NOT OPEN FIVE DAYS A WEEK WOULD NOT BE RECEIVING ANY ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES. I DON'T SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 40 HOURS A WEEK AND FIVE DAYS, OR 40 HOURS A WEEK IN FOUR DAYS.

THE NUMBER OF HOURS WORKED IS THE SAME IN BOTH CIRCUMSTANCES. IT ALSO SAVED THE COUNTY MONEY BECAUSE THE LIGHTS ARE NOT ON. THE CREATURE COMFORTS ARE NOT NEEDED TO THE POINT THAT THEY ARE WHEN WORKERS ARE PRESENT. UNLESS UTILITIES LIKE WATER ARE USED. ALSO, THERE IS LESS WEAR AND TEAR ON COUNTY OWNED AND MAINTAINED VEHICLES, NOT TO MENTION THE EMPLOYEE MORALE AND RETENTION ISSUES. A PERSON WHO WORKS A FOUR DAY WORK WEEK HAS A MORE POSITIVE ATTITUDE TOWARDS THEIR EMPLOYER AND THEIR JOB THAN THE ONES THAT WORK FIVE DAY WORK WEEKS. THAT IS WHY SEVERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, COMPANIES AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE GONE TO A FOUR DAY WORK WEEK. I ALSO BELIEVE IT IS UNFAIR TO TELL THE DEPARTMENT THAT BECAUSE THEY WORK A TEN HOUR DAY INSTEAD OF AN EIGHT HOUR DAY, THEY WILL NOT GET THE SAME CONSIDERATION FOR HIRING BADLY NEEDED NEW EMPLOYEES AS THE EIGHT HOUR DEPARTMENTS. IN SHORT, MY PRECINCT NEEDS HELP. WE COULD USE TWO DEPUTIES, BUT WILL BE GRATEFUL FOR ONE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU CONSTABLE. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR CONSTABLE WILLIAMS? I THINK IT'S BEEN TAKEN PERSONAL, BUT FROM BUDGETARY PROCESS AND STANDPOINT, WHERE WE STAND HERE, THE CALLS THAT WE RECEIVE, NOT JUST SO MUCH IN THE CONSTABLES, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND PUT IT OUT. WE'LL HAVE THEM HERE TOO, WITH THE JPS, I CAN TELL YOU, I'M GOING TO LOOK BACK TO APRIL.

YOU KNOW, WHENEVER THEY'RE CALLING MY OFFICE, I SEND THEM OVER THERE WANTING TO KNOW

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YEAH. BE BACK HERE TOMORROW AT 9 A.M. YOU CAN TALK ALL DAY LONG. HE LOVED ME LAST WEEK. OH, WE'RE ALL GOOD. GONNA BE GOOD. CONSTABLE WILEY HAS A HAS A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. HE'S TRYING TO DO BRIEF. I JUST LEFT HIM RIGHT THERE. I KNOW COMMISSIONERS, COUNTY JUDGE, I APPRECIATE IT. I KNOW Y'ALL KNOW THE MAP. JUST THROWING OUT NUMBERS. I JUST IT I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU SEE IT KIND OF RESONATES A LITTLE MORE. WHICH HAPPENS TO BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN I'M NOT SAYING JUST BECAUSE ONE'S BIGGER THAN TWO, THREE AND FOUR, THAT THAT, THAT I'M NOT IMPLYING ANYTHING. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, FROM COVERING ROADS AND THINGS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LONG WAY FROM CRESCENT TO COVINGTON OR. CORRECT. YEAH. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GIVE A REAL BRIEF. I THINK I HAVE 70 SLIDES

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I KNOW THAT MIGHT NOT MEAN A LOT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT TO ATTORNEYS AND JUDGES, THAT DOES MEAN A LOT. YES, THERE ARE OTHER MEANS THAT WE CAN DO. IT JUST TAKES US LONGER AND MORE TRIPS. SO AS CONSTABLE WILLIAMS WAS ALLUDING TO, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S 440 PAPERS A MONTH THAT WE'RE AVERAGING, THAT'S NOT ONE TRIP. WE'RE NOT THE MAILMAN. WE DON'T JUST WALK UP THERE, DO IT, TURN AROUND GETTING OUR LITTLE TRUCK AND DRIVE OFF. THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF HOURS. I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO COMPUTE THE HOURS THAT IT THAT WE WOULD HAVE IN EACH PAPER. SOME OF THEM AGAIN YOU GO THERE BOOM IT'S DONE. SOME OF THEM YOU. IT TAKES IT TAKES SOME EFFORT. THE BIGGEST THING THAT STOOD OUT TO ME ONCE I SEE IT ON PAPER IS THE ASPECT OF WRITS THAT DOES TAKE IN EVERY WRIT THAT WE DO ORDERS OF SALE, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. WE'RE AVERAGING OVER ONE A MONTH. AND YOU HAVE ONE GUY THAT OVER ONE A DAY. I'M SORRY, YOU HAVE I HAVE ONE GUY THAT THAT THAT HE DOES THAT ALONG WITH HELPING SERVE THE OTHER PAPERS JUST FOR THE, THE STATUTORY DUTIES THAT WE HAVE TO DO. AND AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF RESEARCH, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS, AS WE KNOW, AND I KNOW THAT WE DO YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE BUDGET SHORTFALL.

AND THE REASON I'M HERE IS I DON'T FEEL LIKE I WOULD BE DOING MY EMPLOYEES JUSTICE IF I WASN'T UP HERE TRYING TO PRESENT AND ASK FOR HELP. THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE THAT'S THE THING. SO. WHEN YOU GET THE WRITS, THE WHETHER WE TAKE SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY OR WE DON'T DEPENDS ON THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY THEY HAVE. IF YOU'RE MARRIED, YOU GET 100,000. IF YOU'RE SINGLE, YOU GET 50,000 WORTH OF STUFF. THAT'S IT IN A NUTSHELL. BRIEFLY, MY PRECINCT, EVERYBODY'S DRIVING F250 IN A SUBURBAN. WELL, GUESS WHAT? THEY'RE OVER THAT THRESHOLD. SO IT PUTS A LOT MORE WORK ON US TO TO DO AND TO SETTLE. AND WE MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE HAVING THE CONSTABLE SALES AND SELLING THEIR ITEMS, BUT WE ARE. GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND MANAGING THE MONEY, IF YOU WILL. THE OTHER THING IS. MY JP COURT. THE OTHER DUTY THAT I HAVE IS, IS TAKING CARE OF MY JP. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM 25 TO 26, OUR FILINGS IN THAT COURT ALONE HAVE HAVE, HAVE WENT WAY UP ACCORDING TO E FILE, WHICH IS WHAT ATTORNEYS AND MY OFFICE FILE AND USE TO GO BACK AND FORTH WITH THE COURT. MY JP COURT IS UP 220% IN COURT FILINGS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET 6803 PAPERS, BUT THAT MEANS WE'RE GOING TO BE IN COURT FOR LESS. SOMETHING HAPPENS OUTSIDE OF THAT. WE'RE GOING WE'RE GOING TO BE IN COURT. SO THE TIME THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY SPENDING IN COURT. THE DAYS THAT WE HAD, OF COURSE, WITH THE NEW JUDGE THAT THAT I HAVE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB. WE COULD BE LONGER, RIGHT? BUT WE'RE AVERAGING FIVE HOURS A DAY IN COURT. ONE THING THAT IS NEW TO US THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE IS ZOOM COURT WITH ZOOM COURT. THE WAY THAT THAT THAT IT RUNS ZOOM AND REGULAR COURT, IN-PERSON COURT, IF YOU WILL HAVE WE JUST GO DOWN THE LIST, CALL THE NEXT ONE UP. RIGHT? IT TAKES TWO PEOPLE. CONSTABLE. YES, SIR. THESE NUMBERS, ARE THEY YEAR TO DATE OR IS THAT.

YES. I'M SORRY. THEY ARE YEAR. THEY'RE THEY'RE JUDGE STROTHER IS YEAR TO DATE FROM JANUARY AND THE JUDGE MCBROOM WAS THE 25. SO THAT'S 25 AND 26 OR OCTOBER. YES. OCTOBER. OKAY.

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YES, THEY DO GET INTO OUR PRECINCT, NOT AS MUCH AS THEY ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COUNTY. SO WITH THAT, WE TRY TO GO THROUGH AND GIVE WHAT TALKING TO MY CONSTITUENTS WANT TO DO. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE ARE MINGLING BOTH. SO AS WE GO THROUGH MY OFFICE ALSO NOT ONLY WORKS FIVE DAYS A WEEK, BUT WE HAVE SOMEBODY THERE FROM SEVEN IN THE MORNING TILL SIX AT NIGHT. SO WE KIND OF STRUCTURE WHAT THEY'RE DOING. PROBLEM IS, IS WE CAN'T KEEP THAT UP. AND WITH THAT, NOT HAVING ANOTHER DEPUTY, AS CONSTABLE WILLIAMS ALLUDED TO EARLIER. YES, LAST YEAR I DID GET A DEPUTY, BUT I LOST MY RESERVES. MY RESERVES DID TAKE A WHOLE LOT. I HAD MINE ACTUALLY WORKING. THEY ACTUALLY COME IN AND THEY ACTUALLY WORKED AND THEY ACTUALLY HELPED US OUT. YES, I LOST THAT AND I GOT A FULL TIME PERSON, BUT THEN I GOT A NEW JUDGE. IT'S JUST IT'S THE, YOU KNOW, PLANETS LINING UP, IF YOU WILL.

SO THE REASON THAT I SHOW YOU THIS ON THIS, THIS VIEW IS JUST SOMETHING SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SEND ONE PERSON TO COURT, RIGHT? THINGS ARE GETTING CONTENTIOUS. WE HAD A CASE YESTERDAY WHERE IT WAS MOTHER AND SON'S IN COURT. YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE ON A JP COURT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT THE SECURITY PRECAUTIONS DON'T NEED TO BE DIFFERENT THAN THEY DO ON A COUNTY COURT OR A DISTRICT COURT, FEDERAL COURT LEVEL. SO ANYWAY. THE THE. I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET OUT ON THE, ON THE TRUCKS AS WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH TO GO AROUND WITH WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. AND SO WE'RE DEFAULTING. SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S JUST KIND OF THE, THE OVERVIEW OF, OF, OF. THE WORK THAT, THAT THE OFFICE DOES. REASON THAT WE NEED ANOTHER DEPUTY. I'VE NEVER, SINCE I'VE BEEN IN SINCE 2000, BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH CONSTABLE'S OFFICE. I'VE NEVER SEEN THE PAPER LOAD AS IT IS. AND I DO UNDERSTAND SHORTFALLS AND BUDGET SHORTFALLS AND ALL THAT. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO SHOW Y'ALL WHAT WE DO. AND, YOU KNOW, TAKE PRIDE IN WHAT WE DO. NEXT THING THAT I WANTED TO TALK IS, LOOK, REAL QUICK, LET ME GET RIGHT HERE LOOKING AT WHAT THE WHAT THE JUDGE AND THE BUDGET COMMITTEE HAD SENT OUT. I WANTED TO TALK REAL QUICK ABOUT THE LEXIPOL POLICY THAT THAT THE LEXIPOL POLICY MANUAL. RIGHT NOW, THE POLICY THAT I HAVE THAT THAT WE GO BY WE'VE HAD FOR A VERY LONG TIME. TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER DUTIES THAT WE HAVE. AND IT IS GETTING

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WE'RE NEVER GOING TO PULL SAFETY EQUIPMENT OUT OF A. NO, NO. BUT THANK YOU FOR CATCHING THAT AND WE'LL CONFIRM IF THEY'RE IN THERE. JUDGE. I DIDN'T SEE THEM JUST LOOKING.

SO ANYWAY, I'VE GOT THE COST OF THE VEST. AND OF COURSE THEY. NOW THEY BREAK THEM APART. THEY WANT TO SELL YOU THE VEST AND A CARRIER AND, AND SO I'VE GOT THAT DONE. THE OTHER THING GETTING A NEW VEHICLE IS, IS IT NEEDS A RADAR. SO SOMEWHERE IN THE FUNDS I NEED SOME MONEY FOR A RADAR. YES. AN IN-CAR MOUNTED RADAR IS GOING TO BE 4 OR $500 CHEAPER HANDHELD. WE CAN PASS ALONG TO DIFFERENT EMPLOYEES SO THAT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS WE AIN'T SWAPPING CARS. SO ANYWAY,

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WE TALKED TO I DID TALK TO THE OTHER FOUR CONSTABLE'S ABOUT IT. AND I THINK FOR CONSTABLE FULLER, I THINK OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IS ONE THAT WAS CONSIDERING IT. YEAH. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CLOUD BASE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOFTWARE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS AND GOING FORWARD. SO WHAT'S THE IT'S THE EASIEST WAY THAT I CAN RELATE.

THAT IS IT'S GOING TO BE EXACTLY LIKE Y'ALL'S IWERKS AND MY IWERKS. THERE'S INITIAL UPFRONT ON THIS. THERE'S INITIAL, YOU KNOW, UPFRONT SETUP FEE WHERE THEY GET WITH US AND THEY MAKE SURE THEY GET WITH IT. MAKE SURE GO AHEAD. YEAH, ONE, TWO AND FOUR IS WHAT WAS PRESENTED AND TOTAL AFTER THE FIRST YEAR, THE TOTAL OF THE FIRST YEAR WILL BE $13,421.80. AND THEN REOCCURRING AFTER THAT WILL BE 121, 1630 FOR ALL THREE OFFICES EACH OR NO. ALL THREE ADDED TOGETHER. PRECINCT ONE, I GUESS IT'S BY THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES.

PRECINCT 1559 AND THEN TWO AND FOUR WAS 373. ALL OF THEM HAVE SOME CHANGE ON THEIR ON THE ONE TIME ONBOARDING CHARGE. PRECINCT ONE ANNUAL SUBSCRIPTION IS $4,832.10 A YEAR. PRECINCT TWO WAS 3350 CENTS A YEAR, AND PRECINCT FOUR WAS $3,983.70 A YEAR. AND PRECINCT THREE DIDN'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED WITH IT. NO, WHICH I TO ME, WHEN I WAS IN THAT POSITION, IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT COULD MAKE EASIER WITH TECO'S, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TECO DOLLARS I HAD WHILE I WAS THERE, BUT IT IT'S GETTING WORSE. WELL, AND AND AND WHEN YOU GET AUDITED BY TECO, THAT'S NOT A. THEY COME IN AND LOOK. I MEAN, I THINK ONE OF THEM LASTED A WEEK IN MY OFFICE. ONE OF MY AUDITS DID. THIS MAY HAVE MADE IT LAST TWO DAYS INSTEAD OF A WEEK, BUT. AND WHILE THEY'RE THERE YOU CAN'T DO IT. OR THE CONSTABLE THEIRSELF CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE, WHICH IS HARD. WHEN YOU WERE A ONE MAN OFFICE, MY FIRST TIME, I WAS A ONE MAN OFFICE, EVERYTHING ELSE HAD TO GET SHUT DOWN. WELL, AND I'LL TELL YOU, THEY'RE THEY'RE REQUIRING NOW THEY'RE REQUIRING ALARM SYSTEMS. THEY'RE REQUIRING CAMERAS, THEY'RE REQUIRING ACCESS CONTROL. THEY'RE REQUIRING TWO FACTOR AUTHENTICATION. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF REQUIREMENTS. THEY'VE COMPLETELY CHANGED. IT'S A LOT ROUGHER THAN IT WAS. YES. I MEAN, I IT'S NOT GETTING ANY EASIER. I THINK I THINK SOMETHING THAT CAN TAKE THE LIABILITY OFF OF, IT'S NOT JUST HIS OFFICE. IT'LL BE THE WHOLE COUNTY. IT'S YEAH. COMMISSION IS CARRIED BY THE COUNTY. YEAH. BECAUSE. YEAH. NO THEY'RE THEY'RE DOING THE FIRE MARSHAL RIGHT NOW. WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT FOUR FOUR DIFFERENT AUDITS COMING UP, NOT BEYOND OR THREE DIFFERENT AUDITS COMING UP BEYOND PRECINCT ONE. SO BY

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BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT LAW ENFORCEMENT, A WHOLE IN THE STATE, EVEN THOUGH EVERYBODY THINKS ABOUT THE BIG AGENCIES, THERE'S MORE TIN MAN AND LESS AGENCIES THAN THERE ARE THE BIG ONES. SO ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT, LOOKING AT MY. THE BUDGET THAT THAT I HAD SENT. AND I JUST WANT TO BRING IT UP BECAUSE I'M, I'M. I'M IN A HOLE RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S ON MY FUEL. SO LAST YEAR, NORMALLY FOR ALL THE YEARS THAT I'VE DONE THIS, IT'S ONE THING THAT I JUST NEVER MESSED WITH WAS MY FUEL KIND OF IS WHAT IT IS. AND, AND USUALLY IT WORKS OUT AT THE END WHEN, WHEN THEY CLOSE EVERYTHING AND IT ALL GETS THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT I DO MY BUDGET VERY RESPONSIBLE AND THERE'S NO FUNDS THAT I HAVE. SO IT COMES OUT OF SOMEWHERE. BUT WITH THAT, I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP ATTENTION TO, TO WHAT OUR FUEL IS BECAUSE OF THE LARGENESS OF OUR PRECINCT. MY BUDGET AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW. I'M SORRY I MENTIONED THE COST. YEAH, MY, MY BUDGET AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW FOR THIS YEAR IS $16,800 UP TO JULY. WE STILL HAVE AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER, TWO MONTHS TO GO. BUT I I'VE BUDGETED 168 AND I'VE SPENT $20,821. SO I'M GOING TO BE ABOUT $4,100 SHORT THIS YEAR ALONE. I DO TRY TO TELL MY PEOPLE TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE GAS PRICES AND GET WHERE YOU CAN, BUT THERE'S TIMES THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT IN OUR LINE OF WORK. YOU JUST GOT TO GET SOME FUEL. SO ANYWAY. SO ANYWAY, FOR THE NEXT TWO MONTHS OF THIS YEAR, AGAIN, I'M ON, IT'S GOING TO BE ROUGHLY JUST BASED OFF THE AVERAGES, ABOUT $4,100 TO GET ME THROUGH TILL OCTOBER THE 1ST. SO THAT'S GOING TO MAKE MY FUEL COSTS THIS YEAR. THAT 249 THAT'S GOING TO BE EIGHT GRAND THAT I'M SHORT IN MY BUDGET. SO ANYWAY, I KNOW THAT THAT FUEL IS, IS WHAT IT IS AND IT'S SOMETHING WE GOT TO HAVE. I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO THE COURT'S ATTENTION, THAT MILEAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT COME IN AND, AND REAL QUICK BEFORE I WANT TO, I WANT TO CLOSE ON JUST THE MAIN FUNCTIONS OF MY OFFICE, WHICH ARE SERVING PAPERS AND TAKING CARE OF MY JP COURT AND. NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM, FROM ANY OF THE OTHER CONSTABLE'S.

AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW. AND COMMISSIONER WHITE BROUGHT IT UP WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PRICE OF THE THE POLICIES. PRECINCT TWO IS GOING TO BE THE SAME AS MINE. HE'S GOT. WE'VE GOT THE SAME AMOUNT OF DEPUTIES AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW. I HAVE ONE THAT THAT DOES ENVIRONMENTAL. SO WHEN IT COMES TO CIVIL AND TAKING CARE OF MY COURT, I AM A MAN SHY. SO BECAUSE THAT GUY'S DEDICATED ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL SIDE. SO ANYWAY, I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE

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AND SO MY I'VE JUST, YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHTS ARE, IS, IS SCATTER THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT. WELL, AND I APPRECIATE THAT, COMMISSIONER. AND IF I DO SCATTER THAT OUT. SO HERE'S THE THING. AND I WANT TO SAY IT WAS 1 OR 2 BUDGET. YEARS AGO THAT COST. CRAWFORD WAS TALKING ABOUT THE BEDROOM COMMUNITY. RIGHT. WE'RE GETTING THERE. BUT YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND CLEBURNE AND SOUTH, RIGHT. WE'RE STILL RURAL. AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET UP ABOVE JOSHUA GODLEY, ALL OF THAT THAT WE TOOK IN ALL THE NEW HOUSING ADDITIONS. THEM PEOPLE ARE GOING INTO FORT WORTH. RIGHT. AND I'VE LOOKED AT GOING FIVE DAYS A WEEK WITH EVERYBODY, BUT I'VE ONLY GOT 40 HOURS. SO HOW AM I GOING TO GET TO THE PEOPLE? BECAUSE WE'RE NOT JUST WE'RE NOT JUST DEALING WITH BAD PEOPLE, CERTAIN CLASS OF CITIZENS THAT DON'T TAKE CARE OF THEIR BUSINESS. RIGHT? IT'S ANYBODY. SINCE I'VE BEEN DOING THIS, I'VE SERVED THE RICHEST PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY AND THE POOREST PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY AND EVERYBODY IN BETWEEN. SO A LOT OF WHAT WE GET, THE PEOPLE ARE IN FORT WORTH WORKING. SO IF I TAKE AND PUT EVERYBODY I HAVE FIVE DAYS A WEEK, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 8 TO 5, THAT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE THAT'S WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THE PAPERS THAT WE'RE SERVING ARE GOING TO BE. SO THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND DEFAULT.

WHEN THESE ATTORNEYS AND THESE COURTS WANT THAT PERSONAL SERVICE. BECAUSE IF I SERVE YOU A PAPER AND I HANG IT TO YOUR DOOR, YOUR FRONT DOOR, THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS, YOU GET PERMISSION TO HANG IT TO THE FRONT DOOR OF THAT RESIDENCE, BUT YOU USE THE BACK, THE SIDE, THE WINDOW, AND YOU NEVER SEE THAT SUIT. YOU'RE GOING TO GET DEFAULTED. AND WHAT WHOEVER SAW WHOEVER IS SUING YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO OWE THAT BECAUSE I TOOK IT TO THE FRONT OF YOUR DOOR. SO THEY WANT THAT PERSONAL SERVICE AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. SO TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO ADJUST TO THAT. AND THE BEST WAY THAT I CAN DO TO GET SOMEBODY TO WORK THE EVENINGS IS TO DO FOUR DAYS A WEEK. WE'RE COVERING FIVE, BUT I'M ALSO COVERING FROM SEVEN IN THE MORNING TILL SIX IN THE EVENING, WORKING FOUR DAYS A WEEK. YOU HAVE. BUT WITH THAT, I WANT I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW MY OFFICE IS OPEN MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FROM 7 A.M. TO 6 P.M. FIVE DAYS A WEEK. YOU GOT ENOUGH DEPUTIES ON STAFF TO DO THAT WITH. SO THAT'S. WE'RE HAVING TO BEG, BORROW AND STEAL. YEAH. AND WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE COMP TIME DOWN SO THAT WE DON'T GOT TO COME IN HERE AND HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO GET Y'ALL TO PAY TO GET SOMEBODY'S COMP TIME DOWN. SO WHAT I'M DOING ON THAT IS I TELL THEM, HEY, LOOK, IF Y'ALL GET IT, IF IT'S MANAGEABLE, LET'S TRY TO BURN THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ALSO COMPENSATING FOR. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS, BUT I'M NOT WORKING. I'M NOT GOING TO STAND UP HERE AND TAKE AWAY FROM MY GUYS SAYING, WE'RE ONLY WORKING FOUR DAYS A WEEK.

THEY ARE. YES, BUT I HAVE FIVE DAYS. THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, RIGHT? THEY GOT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK COVERAGE. Y'ALL WORK TENS, TWELVES. THEY WORK 12. BUT THERE AIN'T NOBODY IN THIS COUNTY GOING. WELL, IT'S 2:00 IN THE MORNING. I AIN'T SEEN A DEPUTY. HAVE Y'ALL? NO, THEY GET IT COVERED. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE. AND THAT'S WHAT MY PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO DO.

THAT'S HOW MANY TIMES THAT'S A 24 HOUR SERVICE. SO YOU AGREE WE'RE LAW ENFORCEMENT. WE'VE GOT THE STATUTORY DUTY BECAUSE I'M A COP. BECAUSE EVERYBODY IN THERE, LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS THAT DUTY. SATURDAYS, I CAN'T COVER SATURDAYS. YOU'VE CALLED ME ON THE WEEKENDS ALONG WITH OTHER PEOPLE GOING, HEY, CAN YOU GO DO THIS? CAN YOU GO HELP THAT? DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY OUT? I CAN'T DO THAT. BUT JUST TO PENALIZE US BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING FOR TEN HOUR DAYS. BUT I AM NOT ONLY COVERING THE WHOLE WEEK, I'M COVERING AN HOUR BEFORE THIS COUNTY OPENS AND AN HOUR AFTER THIS COUNTY CLOSES. THAT'S PRETTY DARN GOOD COVERAGE AND A GOOD SACRIFICE FOR MY DEPUTIES. THAT'S HOW I SEE IT. WELL, LIKE I SAID, YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH STAFF AND PERSONNEL TO COVER THAT KIND OF A PROGRAM. THAT'S THAT'S WHY THAT WORKS. OKAY. BUT WE'RE STILL RUNNING SHORT WITH THE AMOUNT OF SERVICE THAT WE DO. IT WOULD BE LIKE GIVING YOU THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY AND ADDING TEN MILES OF ROAD TO YOU. YOU'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT HOW

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BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S HIRING ANOTHER PERSON. I UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE PROBLEM I HAVE. I UNDERSTAND, BUT BUT YOU KNOW, IT GOES YEARS AGO YOU'VE BEEN ON THE COURT A LONG TIME. AND AND I ASKED FOR TWO. AND THE ANSWER THAT I GOT WAS, WELL, WE GIVE YOU ONE LAST YEAR. YES, YOU DID, BUT YOU TOOK RESERVES AWAY. AND MY OFFICE DYNAMICS HAVE CHANGED. WELL, THE LIABILITY WITH THE RESERVES WAS THE REASON. I UNDERSTAND I'M NOT I'M NOT, YOU KNOW. BUT THAT'S NOT A STRAIGHT ACROSS THE. THAT'S A THAT'S ANOTHER CONVERSATION FOR ANOTHER DAY.

BUT MINE I CAN'T TALK ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE. ALL I CAN DO IS TALK ABOUT THE PRECINCT ONE CONSTABLE'S OFFICE. MINE SHOWED UP. MINE WORKED, AND MINE DID THINGS ABOVE AND BEYOND. I HOPE YOU RECOGNIZE THAT I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A SUPPORTER. OKAY, BUT I CAN'T SIT UP HERE AND REQUIRE OR SET A DOUBLE STANDARD BECAUSE OF PRECINCT ONE. SO THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE POSITION THAT I'M BEING PUT IN RIGHT NOW. NO, IT'S NOT AND IT IS. NO IT'S NOT. BUT, BUT IT'S A, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S NOT UP TO JUST ME. IT'S I UNDERSTAND, BUT COMMISSIONER, I WANT, I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT ANYBODY IN A BAD POSITION. I WANT I WANT YOU TO GO. HEY, WHEN MATT CAME UP HERE, HE GAVE ME A 100000 ZERO FOOT VIEW OF WHAT HIS OFFICE DOES. 4000 PAPERS. WHAT? DID PRECINCT THREE STAND UP HERE AND SAY THAT HIS HIS HIS OFFICE MANAGER COUNTED. I'M NOT THROWING ANYBODY UNDER THE BUS. A THOUSAND, 1000 PAPERS. WELL, I KNOW THE I KNOW THE PERIMETER FROM CRESCENT TO COVINGTON. NO, I'M TALKING THE NUMBER OF CIVIL PAPERS THAT WE SERVE. 4800. HE HAD 1000. I GET IT. SO I'M NOT ASKING TO I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT ANYBODY IN A BAD SITUATION. I'M TRYING TO SHOW Y'ALL THE VIEW THAT WE DEAL WITH AND MY DEPUTIES DEAL WITH EVERY DAY.

PLUS THE OTHER THINGS THAT OTHER AGENCIES. HOW MANY YEARS WE SIT IN HERE TALKING ABOUT UNFUNDED MANDATES? WELL, THEY'RE REACHING US NOW FROM OUR LICENSING AGENCY AND FROM DPS AND FROM EVERYBODY ELSE. SO I'M NOT I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT ANYBODY IN A BAD SITUATION. I JUST WOULDN'T DO MY DEPUTIES ANY JUSTICE IF I DIDN'T COME UP HERE AND TRY TO GIVE THE COURT AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING, MINIMALLY TAKING CARE OF THEIR BUSINESS. THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO DO. NOT TRYING TO PUT ANYBODY IN A BAD LIGHT OR A BAD SITUATION. SO AND AGAIN, JUST LIKE THEY SAID, I KNOW THINGS ARE TIGHT. I KNOW THAT THAT THAT YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S OTHER FACTORS, BUT I WOULDN'T DO JUSTICE IF I DIDN'T COME IN. I DIDN'T ASK LAST YEAR. LAST YEAR WAS KIND OF A, HEY, WE TOOK, YOU KNOW, LET'S GET RID OF THE RESERVES, WHICH I FULLY SUPPORT. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH IT. AND THEY GIVE US A DEPUTY. AND THAT HELPED. BUT THE DYNAMICS OF MY OFFICE CHANGED. I WASN'T EVEN ASKING FOR THAT DEPUTY LAST YEAR. RIGHT. THIS YEAR I AM, BECAUSE THE DYNAMICS OF MY OFFICE HAVE TREMENDOUSLY, TREMENDOUSLY CHANGED. SO BUT ANYWAY, I APPRECIATE IT. Y'ALL GOT ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T MIND ANSWERING THEM. BUT BUT THAT'S ALL I CAN DO IS IS TRYING TO MEET MY STATUTORY MINIMUM STATUTORY DUTIES THAT I HAVE.

AND IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, THEN WE'LL AGAIN, WE'RE FLEXIBLE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CUT THIS BACK AND AND IT MAY TAKE LONGER IN JP COURT. IT MAY TAKE LONGER HERE AND THERE. BUT BUT THAT'S JUST I MEAN, THAT MAY BE THE ONLY OPTION I HAVE IF I DON'T GET A PERSON. EASIER TO JUSTIFY IF THE JP COMING IN WORKS FIVE DAYS TO GET THAT BAILIFF FOR SURE. THAT'S OUT OF MY PURVIEW.

YEAH, I GET IT. BUT I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE. YEAH. AND ALL THAT'S GOING TO DO IF THEY THROW IN, YOU KNOW, THEN MY TIME IS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, THROW IN IT. IT'S I'M JUST GOING TO HAVE MORE TIME AT COURT AND TAKING AWAY FROM THE OTHER DUTIES THAT I HAVE, BECAUSE THERE WAS AN AG OPINION THAT ORIGINATED OUT OF THIS COUNTY. WHAT WHAT THE CONSTABLE HAS TWO DUTIES, BASICALLY TAKING CARE OF THEIR JP COURT AND SERVING PAPERS. WHICH ONE TAKES PRECEDENCE. THE AG SAID YOU GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THEM BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. SO IF IF MY JUDGE WORKED SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, I MEAN IT AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, IT'S I DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER TO DO IT. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. SO. I APPRECIATE THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. I'LL REITERATE AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS THIS YEAR, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE GOT ANY REQUESTS THAT THAT WERE OFF BASE OR DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

THAT WOULDN'T BE A VALUABLE ADDITION TO THE COUNTY. IT WAS A MATTER OF SPLITTING HAIRS AND TRYING TO KEEP MAINTAINING SERVICES. AND SO HAVING SAID THAT, I DO THINK AND I'M GOING TO ASK THAT YOU LOOK AND CONFIRM AFTER WE'RE DONE HERE TODAY. BUT IF IF WE UNINTENTIONALLY PULLED OUT $6,500 FOR BULLETPROOF VESTS, THAT THAT HAS TO GO BACK IN.

THAT WAS NOT INTENTIONAL. WE'RE NEVER GOING TO SHORT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS EQUIPMENT.

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IS THAT. LEXIPOL. I THINK CONSTABLE FULLER IS THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT ALSO, DO YOU WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT CONVERSATION? COME ON UP. YOU GOTTA COME TO THE MICROPHONE. YOU WOULD THINK. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LEXAPRO, YOU TALK ABOUT THE POLICIES YOU START TO THINK ABOUT, AS I MENTIONED, 2 OR 3 DIFFERENT TIMES, THAT TCOLE IS BECOMING A VERY INTERACTIVE PART OF A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY'S LIFE ALL THE TIME. I MEAN, JUST IN THE LAST YEAR, AM I FAIR SAYING ABOUT 12 POLICIES, MATT, ABOUT 12 POLICIES THAT CAME OUT AND STARTED? YEAH. I MEAN, AND IT'S JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO GET WORSE AS THE LEGISLATION BECOMES MORE INVOLVED THAN WANTING TO PUT CRUNCHES. I MEAN, THEY'RE SHUTTING DOWN AGENCIES AT THIS POINT. SO THE LIABILITY RISKS ARE JUST ASTRONOMICAL. SO TODAY, WHAT I WANTED TO DO IS JUST I WANTED TO COME TO THE COURT AND I WANTED TO REITERATE, I JUST IT'S ONE THING, MAN, I JUST BEG OF YOU TO RECONSIDER.

AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S A TIGHT BUDGET. I MEAN, I DO I DIDN'T ASK FOR NO PERSONNEL. I DIDN'T ASK FOR, YOU KNOW, MY ONE VEHICLE ON ROTATION. WE HAD OTHER PROGRAMS THAT I THINK ARE CRITICAL, BUT I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUT ON HOLD. SO I'M NOT STANDING UP HERE WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING IT. I CAN APPRECIATE YOU WATCHING OUT FOR THE PUBLIC. BUT THIS POLICY, I'M SO SERIOUS ABOUT IT. WHAT I ORIGINALLY CAME HERE TODAY IS, IS IF I CAN FIND A WAY OUT OF THIS YEAR'S BUDGET TO PAY FOR, YOU KNOW, IT ONLY BE A YEAR. I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO GET THE COURT'S APPROVAL TO BE ABLE TO REALLY CONSIDER THAT. AND THE TIME MANAGEMENT ON POLICIES AND ADMINISTRATIVELY HAVING TO WRITE THEM AND GO THROUGH THEM. AND I JUST RECENTLY HAD AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST. SO IT REQUIRED, YOU KNOW, GETTING THEM ALL TOGETHER AND STUFF. AS YOU GO THROUGH THEM, YOU START READING THEM AND YOU START THINKING, OH MY GOSH, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO UPDATE THIS, DO THAT. AND, AND LIKE I SAID, JUST IN THE LAST, MOST OF THEM WERE DUE EITHER IN 25 AND COMING IN 26, THERE'S PROBABLY BEEN ABOUT A DOZEN POLICIES THAT CAME DOWN. AND THEY'RE NOT NONSENSE POLICIES, BUT IT'S JUST THEY MANDATE THEM, COMMISSIONER WHITE SAID. THEY COME IN, THEY SIT DOWN, AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THEM, AND I MEAN, I CAN SPEND YEARS WRITING POLICIES. I FINALLY JUST GOT A FINAL MANUAL DONE. AND I'VE BEEN I'VE BEEN IN POLICIES AND, AND I USED A LOT OF FOOTWORK THAT CONSTABLE WILEY AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO BRING IT TOGETHER AND DO THAT. SO I JUST WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THE COURT'S CONSIDERATION AND RELOOKING AT THAT AS A WHOLE FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET PROCESS AND IN THE FUTURE, OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, MAYBE EVEN THE COURT'S APPROVAL, IF I IF I CAN FIND IT, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN BECAUSE WITH FUEL AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I MEAN, I DIDN'T ASK FOR AN INCREASE BECAUSE I FIGURE IF I NEED TO COME BACK TO THE COURT OR WHATEVER I NEED TO DO, I'LL FIGURE OUT A WAY. BUT I MEAN, WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM IF IT DOESN'T COME DOWN SOON, THAT OUR BUDGETS ARE GOING TO BE EXPENDED. MIKE, THOSE NUMBERS THAT YOU HAD THAT YOU PULLED UP EARLIER, WOULD THAT BE REFLECTED AS THAT IT WOULD START OCTOBER 1ST? I HAVE NO IDEA WHEN THAT WAS. WHAT IS THE TIMELINE BASED ON THE NUMBERS THAT MIKE HAS MET IN REGARDS TO THE THREE PRECINCTS THAT ARE ASKING FOR THIS, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT'S REPRESENTED, WHAT WOULD THAT BE AN OCTOBER 1ST START ON THAT. IS IT GIVE YOU THE FULL YEAR OR IS THAT A JANUARY 1ST OR HOW IS THAT? HOW'S IT PRORATED OR WHAT IT WOULD COINCIDE WITH OUR BUDGET CYCLE? WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS, IS SAY TWO WEEKS ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF SEPTEMBER. THEY WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING TO GET EVERYTHING UP SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE ZOOM CALLS. OCTOBER THE 1ST, THEN TO GET IT IMPLEMENTED. I MEAN, I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THREE

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YEAH. OKAY. WELL, YEAH. AND THAT WAS WHERE I WAS GOING. YOU KNOW, WE SEE SO MANY DIFFERENT PACKAGES, YOU KNOW, THAT COME IN AND THEY WE BUY IT. AND THEN IT'S LIKE, WELL, YOU WANT THAT SERVICE TOO. OH, WELL, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T NEGOTIATE THAT. WE'VE SEEN THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT THE START, THE KEY TO START IT. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. DO YOU WANT THE PASSWORD? DOES IT DO YOU OWN THE PASSWORD. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE, WE, WE WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN OUR SHARE OF, OF THE, WHAT THE TECHNOLOGY BRINGS IN THIS COURT. AND, BUT, AND I GUESS THAT'S WHAT'S PROMPTING THE QUESTIONS, NOT QUESTIONING YOU GUYS, JUST QUESTIONING THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GETTING EVERY TOOL THAT THEY OFFER FOR FOR FOR THIS DOLLAR. THAT'S THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.

WELL I WANT TO CLEAR SOMETHING UP, CONSTABLE FULLER. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY. IT'S YOUR YEAR TO GET A CAR. YES. AND YOU DIDN'T. ARE YOU GETTING A CAR OR DID YOU SAY YOU WEREN'T GETTING. ABSOLUTELY. YES, I THOUGHT YOU, I ASSUME SO. WELL, I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU YOU WEREN'T TAKING THAT THIS YEAR, SO. NO, NO, NO, I WANTED TO I WANTED TO CLEAR THAT UP. YEAH. NO, I, I, I ASKED FOR TWO CARS THIS YEAR. OH OKAY. OKAY. UNDERSTANDABLY, YOU KNOW, WITH WHERE THE POSITION OF THE COURT, BUT JUST AND WE HAVE FULL CONTROL OVER THE POLICIES. SO IT MEANS WE GET TO REVIEW THEM. LOOK AT. BUT I JUST CAN'T TELL YOU HOW IMPORTANT IT IS THAT WE REALLY CHANGE DIRECTION. THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY IS JUST PLEASE. I'D BE REMISS IN NOT MENTIONING THE FACT THAT I BROUGHT THIS UP IN THE PAST, THAT FOR EVERY PAPER, LIKE CONSTABLE WILLIAMS, CONSTABLE WILEY MENTIONED THAT EVERY PAPER WE TOUCH IS NOT ONE TIME. I MEAN, COMMISSIONER WHITE, YOU KNOW, ALL MY YOU MAY YOU MAY YOU MAY GET LUCKY AND GET ONE TIME AND IT TAKES YOU 45 MINUTES. BUT OFTENTIMES THERE'S LIKE SEVERAL DAYS, SOMETIMES SEVERAL WEEKS. WELL, AND THEN IN THE WRITS COULD TAKE DAYS, DAYS. YOU GET A WRIT OF EXECUTION. AND I MEAN, THERE WAS ONE DEAL. IT WAS IN PRECINCT ONE. YOU WEREN'T THE CONSTABLE THEN, BUT CONSTABLE BRILEY MYSELF, WE BROUGHT OUR CLERKS, PRECINCT ONE WAS THERE WITH THEIR CLERKS AND I THINK IT WAS, WHAT WAS IT? 12 ACRES OF ITEMS THAT HAD TO BE CATALOGED FOR A SALE. YEAH. AND THEN YOU HAVE TO SELL THAT. AND THEY HAD TO PUT UP SECURITY ALL NIGHT. EXACTLY. I MEAN, IT CAN TAKE A LONG TIME, I GET IT. BUT ANYWAY, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL. AND THAT'S THE ONE THING I WANTED TO JUST BRING UP. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ROY. I THINK IT WOULD JUST I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED. YEAH, I THINK IT I THINK IT CAN PROTECT THE COUNTY QUITE A BIT TOO.

SORRY. I'M MAKING A NOTE HERE. I, I TEND TO AGREE THAT THAT THAT SEEMS LIKE A, A VALUABLE THING. THAT'S A PRETTY CHEAP INSURANCE POLICY IN MY MIND. I WANT TO TALK IT CAN FREE THAT SOME TIME UP FOR THEM TO DO OTHER THINGS. I WANT TO COME BACK AT THE END OF TODAY AND

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IT IS 1011. LET'S TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK. WE'LL COME BACK AT 1020 AND PICK UP ALL RIGHT.E GOING TO COME BACK. SORRY. BREAK WAS A LITTLE LONGER THAN INTENDED. IT IS 1034. WE ARE BACK FROM RECESS. WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO PICK UP WITH WORKSHOP AGAIN. I THINK OUR NEXT PRESENTATION IS FROM THE NEW DISTRICT CLERK, MR. WILL KEATON. MR. KEATON, CONGRATULATIONS ON SWEARING IN. THIS WILL BE YOUR FIRST APPEARANCE HERE AS THE ELECTED DISTRICT CLERK. WE'RE EXCITED FOR YOU AND WELCOME TO THE. WELCOME TO THE FAMILY. I APPRECIATE IT. AND THEY THREW ME RIGHT INTO A PILE OF HERE'S YOUR BUDGET, GET TO WORK. BUT CONGRATULATIONS AND CONDOLENCES AT THE SAME TIME. I APPRECIATE IT, BUT FORTUNATELY, I WAS PROVIDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE PLACED INTO OFFICE AS CHIEF DEPUTY BACK ON MAY 1ST, AND THAT AFFORDED ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO EVALUATE AND STUDY THE BUDGET WITH OUR CFO.

SO KIND OF CAUGHT ME UP. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT EVER SINCE AND TRYING TO GET THINGS STREAMLINED AND FIND OUT WHERE THE WASTE IS AND WHERE WE CAN SAVE SOME MONEY. SO ON THE THIRD PAGE, IT HAS THE CURRENT BUDGET WITH THE SALARIES ON THAT, AND IT HAS THE CURRENT POSITION, SALARY AND THE PROPOSED SALARIES. SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO STAY WITHIN OUR CURRENT BUDGET AND NOT ASK FOR ANY PAY SALARY INCREASES FOR ANY OF OUR EMPLOYEES FROM YOU. WITH THAT SAID, WITH THAT CURRENT BUDGET, I WOULD LIKE TO. GIVE MY EMPLOYEES THE SALARY THAT I FEEL THEY DESERVE. FOR STARTERS, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE PERSON AT THE FRONT DESK HAS ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF THE NEW HIRE. WELL, I'VE ALWAYS FELT THAT WAS WRONG BECAUSE THAT'S OUR FRONT LINE THAT NEEDS TO BE THE MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE, THE MOST SALARY INCENTIVES SHOULD GO THERE BECAUSE THAT PERSON IS ANSWERING QUESTIONS TO EVERY ATTORNEY AND ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT COMES IN THERE. SO WE'VE MADE SOME CHANGES AND WE'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO HAVE A SUPERVISOR POSITION. WE'LL CHANGE THOSE TO LEADS THAT ARE INTAKE MANAGER. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT MY REQUEST IS GOING TO BE ON THAT PART. IF WE CAN CONTINUE TO THE NEXT WITH THE BUDGET VERSUS ACTUALS, THIS IS WHERE WE GET INTO SAVING SOME MONEY AND BEING ABLE TO RETURN SOME MONEY. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD, NEVER GIVE BACK ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN GIVEN IN THE PAST. BUT IF WE SEE IT'S WASTEFUL AND WE CAN SAVE IT, AND ESPECIALLY IN A BUDGET CRUNCH TIME LIKE WE'RE SEEING NOW, AND WE ESTIMATE THAT EVEN WITH A 10% INCREASE, WE CAN STILL SURVIVE THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO. SO THAT BUDGET VERSUS ACTUALS, THE PARTS IN YELLOW NOW ON THE SALARIES ON THE TOP PART, WE ESTIMATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE A SURPLUS RIGHT NOW OF ABOUT $220,000. THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE THERE WERE POSITIONS THAT HAD

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SO THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND THAT'S ALWAYS GREAT TO START A SOFTWARE PROJECT EARLY ANYWAY. WE CAN AND THEY'RE ALREADY WORKING ON THE CONTRACTS. I SPOKE WITH JOHN WITH TYLER A WEEK OR TWO AGO. WE HAD A PHONE CONFERENCE, MYSELF AND MARIAH, AND HE'S ALREADY STARTED THE CONTRACT. I'LL ECHO THE JUDGE'S COMMENT, YOU KNOW, COMING INTO AN OFFICE, I REMEMBER WHEN DISTRICT ATTORNEY GOOD WAS WAS COMING IN AND WE RECOGNIZED THAT WE NEEDED TO PUT SOME MONEY IN THE BUDGET PRIOR TO HIS, YOU KNOW, ARRIVAL. AND BECAUSE WE WANT HIM TO BE SUCCESSFUL, AS WE DO ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, TO COME HERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ASKING FOR, YES, THE NEEDS THAT YOU'VE DISCOVERED, BUT YOU'RE ALSO FINDING OTHER METHODS HERE. AND TO COVER THAT COST. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD THAT YOU HAVE THAT AND YOU FOUND THOSE, THOSE WEAKNESSES. BUT YEAH, I, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GOOD FIRST PRESENTATION. ALSO ON THE LINE ITEM ON THAT SECOND PAGE OF THE BUDGET AND ACTUALS, THE ZERO 490, I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU REQUESTED SOME FUNDS FROM MYSELF AND THE COUNTY CLERK OUT OF. AND WHATEVER. I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S IN THERE, BUT WE'RE ESTIMATING THERE MIGHT BE 200 000 AVAILABLE. THAT'S Y'ALL CAN USE THAT. HOWEVER, WE WE'RE NOT IN NEED OF THAT CURRENTLY. SO HOLD ON JUST A SECOND, PLEASE. WE LET THAT GO BY. YEAH. AND LET ME LET ME GIVE THE COURT A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THAT. THERE'S A A FILING FEE SUPPORTED FUND THAT MR. KEATON IS TALKING ABOUT AND THAT HAS TURNED OBSOLETE. SO Y'ALL KNOW THE LEGISLATURE CHANGES FILING FEES FROM TIME TO TIME. AND SOMETIMES THOSE ARE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN TERMS OF HOW THE MONEY IS REQUIRED TO BE SPENT AND HOW IT IS COLLECTED.

THERE'S A AN ABANDONED FUND WITH A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN IT. IT'S NOT CURRENTLY INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR ANY PURPOSE. IT'S JUST IT'S SITTING THERE.

BUT THERE IS POTENTIALLY A SOME MONEY FOR A ONE TIME EXPENSE IN THAT FUND. I HAD COMMUNICATED WITH MISS LONG AND MR. KEATON EARLIER THIS WEEK ABOUT WHETHER THAT WAS AVAILABLE AS, AS SOMETHING THAT WE MAY WANT TO TALK ABOUT. WE HAVE WE'VE NOT IMPLEMENTED ANYTHING WITH THAT, BUT THAT IS OUT THERE. AND SO THAT THAT MAY BE A SOURCE TO COVER POTENTIALLY SOME SOME SOFTWARE INCREASE OVER THE YEAR. BUT WE HAVE TO DIG INTO THAT A LITTLE MORE DEEPLY. I DO I APPRECIATE MISS LONG AND MR. KEATON FOR IT'S A FUND THAT, LIKE I SAID, IS SUPPORTED BY FILING FEES INITIALLY OR ORIGINALLY. IT WAS DESIGNATED FOR EXPENSES WITHIN COUNTY CLERK AND DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE. IT IS A FUND THAT'S TECHNICALLY CONTROLLED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. SO IT'S A IT'S DIFFERENT. IT'S NOT THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT FUND THAT THEY USE. IT'S NOT THE VITAL STATISTIC FUND THAT THEY CURRENTLY USE. IT'S A A SEPARATE FUND THAT IS NO LONGER FUNDED BY FILING FEES. AND THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE HAS INDICATED AN INTENT OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS TO OBSOLETE THAT FUND AND CLOSE IT OUT, AT LEAST TO THE

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AND THAT'S WHAT I DID. AND I HAD AN EMPLOYEE WALKING AROUND THREE HOURS A DAY OUT IN THE PARKING LOT. THAT'S NOT FAIR TO ANYONE ELSE. IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE COUNTY CLERK'S EMPLOYEES OR ANYONE ELSE'S EMPLOYEES THAT ARE TASKED TO DO A JOB ALL DAY LONG, SO I DON'T NEED THAT POSITION. IF YOU HAVE TIME TO WALK TEN MILES A DAY. BUT WITH THAT SAID, THAT ALSO PUTS THE TASK ON THE ONES THAT WE WANT TO RETAIN TO ACTUALLY DO THE JOB THAT THEY'RE CAPABLE OF DOING, DOING WITHOUT BEING OVERLOADED. THERE'S PLENTY OF WORK TO BE HAD, BUT ALSO NOT STRUGGLING TO TRY AND GET SOMETHING COMPLETED. THERE'S PLENTY OF COURT STAFF AT THIS TIME IN THE FUTURE. NOBODY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. OUR COUNTY IS GROWING. WILL WE COME BACK AND ASK FOR POSITIONS LATER ON? I'M SURE WE WILL. BUT UNTIL WE HAVE ANOTHER COURT, I DON'T FORESEE US NEEDING ANYTHING ELSE AND I'M NOT SURE WHEN WE'RE GOING TO GET ANOTHER COURT. I HAVE NO IDEA. I KNOW THERE'S SOME STUFF ON THE HORIZON, BUT UNTIL THEN, WE CAN SAVE THE MONEY NOW WHEN WE CAN SAVE IT. THAT ALSO ELIMINATED THOSE TWO POSITIONS.

SAVES US $24,000, ROUGHLY ON HEALTH INSURANCE, AND ANOTHER $6,100 ON A BASE PAY EMPLOYEE SALARY ON THE 7% FOR THE RETIREMENT BENEFIT. SO THAT'S A $30,000 SAVINGS THERE OUT OF OUR OFFICE, PROVIDING US THE OPPORTUNITY WITH OUR CURRENT BUDGET WITHOUT ASKING FOR ANY PAY INCREASES ACROSS THE BOARD, I CAN INCREASE THE PAY OF EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY EMPLOYEES EXCEPT ME. AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF MY PEOPLE. SO THAT'S MY ASK IS LET ME. IF WE HAVE TO CREATE NEW EMPLOYEE LINES OR HOWEVER WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT, I WANT TO PAY THEM A FAIR SALARY SO THAT I AM NOT COMPETING WITH MCDONALD'S AND CHICK FIL A. I THINK $39,000 IS TOO LOW. SO AS WITH THE OTHER PRESENTATIONS, I'LL POINT OUT HOW THIS DIFFERS FROM WHAT IS IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET. THAT'S WHAT I WAS FIXING TO ASK, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT DIFFERENT GOING TO 87,000 ON THE CHIEF DEPUTY, AND HE'S GOT IT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING GOING TO CLARIFY. HE'S GOT IT AT 84. SO THIS IS PRE COLA. IF THERE WAS A COLA INCREASE THAT 84,000 WOULD GO TO 87. THAT 84,000 CURRENTLY MATCHES THE COUNTY CLERK'S CHIEF DEPUTY I BELIEVE. AND WHY YOU KNOW GO TO 87. WE AIN'T TOLD YOU WHAT THE COLA WAS GOING TO BE. I'M JUST BASING THAT ON A NO. I KNOW DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SITS DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, TOP THREE POSITIONS WILL FOREGO 20. THE. I'M SORRY. SO. AND COMMISSIONER THAT IN MY PRESENTATION. SO THERE THERE'S A LITTLE COMPLEXITY HERE AND I DON'T WANT TO. IT'S NOT I DON'T WANT TO POINT FINGERS. IT'S JUST A. THE WAY THE CALENDAR WORKED OUT, WE HAD A BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETING AND WENT THROUGH PROPOSALS WITH MR. SULLIVAN, AND THEN MR. KEATON TOOK OFFICE AND THERE WAS A SEPARATE PRESENTATION AND PROPOSAL. AND SO THAT IT'S WE'RE TRYING TO PIECE TOGETHER TWO DIFFERENT PROPOSALS HERE.

WHAT IS WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET. AND AND THAT WAS AN ITEM THAT YOU BROUGHT UP YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE. AND WE DO NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT. I THINK IN A YEAR OF AUSTERITY, A $10,000 INCREASE IS PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT LOOK FOR A POSITION. BUT THE THE MAJOR DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT'S INCLUDED HERE AND WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET ARE

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YEAH. YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A LOT OF TIME SPENT ON THAT AND PUT A LOT OF HOURS IN.

SO WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS ADOPTING THE CLARK PLAN, AS IS, AND EVERY OTHER OFFICE ADDING A COST OF LIVING TO THAT. AT THE END OF THAT. AND THEN A NET ELIMINATION OF ONE POSITION INSTEAD OF TWO. AND THAT WAS AFTER SOME SOME BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN MY OFFICE AND THE DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE. THIS IS THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION THAT WAS PROVIDED BY MR. KEATON. AND SO ABSOLUTELY, IT IS UP FOR CONVERSATION. I JUST WANT TO I ALWAYS WANT TO BE CLEAR WHEN THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT'S PROPOSED AND WHAT'S HERE SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING AND THE. ALSO, I'LL, I'LL NOTE THAT THE THE PROPOSED BUDGET HAS. THE OFFICE MANAGER AT THE SAME BUDGETED POSITION THAT $70,036 INSTEAD OF A $6,000 INCREASE. THAT IS AGAIN, CONSISTENT WITH THE CLARK RESTRUCTURING. IT HAS THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER AS A AN ACCOUNTANT, ONE WHICH IS THE CURRENT POSITION TITLE AS OPPOSED TO A SENIOR ACCOUNTANT.

NOW, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS ACTUALLY DIFFERENT BECAUSE ACCOUNTANT ONE'S COUNTYWIDE GOT A ABOUT A $3,000 INCREASE TO KEEP THEM CONSISTENT WITH THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE. SO THAT NUMBER IS CLOSER TO 75 INSTEAD OF 72. AND THEN THE CHIEF DEPUTY I KNOW WE'VE WE'VE SAID WE WANTED TO DISCUSS THAT AGAIN AND AND CERTAINLY. SO THAT POSITION IS CURRENTLY $76,000.

AND WE NEED TO MAKE SOME SOME DECISION ABOUT WHERE THAT IS. BUT THOSE ARE. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT'S IN HERE AND WHAT'S IN WHAT WAS PRESENTED. AND WITH THAT, I APOLOGIZE, MR. KEATON. I'M NOT TRYING TO TAKE UP ALL OF YOUR TIME. NO. YOU'RE FINE. I NEED TO SEE WHERE WE ARE. I WASN'T A PART OF OR EVEN ACKNOWLEDGED WHENEVER Y'ALL WERE DOING THE RESTRUCTURE AND TRYING TO MATCH THE CLERKS ACROSS THE WELL THAT WAS GOING ON BEFORE YOU'RE EVEN THE THE ELECTION, RIGHT? SO BUT MY POINT, MY POINT IS, IS THAT I HAVE COURT CLERKS THAT ARE CLERK TWOS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO GO TO COURT EVERY DAY. THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE OVERLOADED WITH ALL THE FALLBACKS EVERY DAY. THEY ARE REQUIRED TO BE ON THE SAME LEVEL AS A CLERK, THREE THAT IS ALSO IN COURT EVERY DAY, BUT THEY'RE PAID SIGNIFICANTLY LESS. THEY NEED TO BE ALSO A CLERK. THREE THAT'S THEY DO THE SAME DUTIES, AND I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE ACROSS THE BOARD WHAT OUR CLERKS DO. AND I KNOW, AND I HATE THAT Y'ALL SPENT SO MUCH TIME ON THIS. BUT WHAT OUR CLERKS DO IN THE DISTRICT CLERK'S OFFICE VERSUS WHAT OURS IN THE COUNTY CLERK, THEY DON'T COMPARE TO CLERKS IN ANY OTHER OFFICE. OUR WORKLOAD IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. OUR TASKS ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. OUR REQUIREMENTS ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. I DON'T SEE HOW THEY CAN ALL BE THE SAME ACROSS THE BOARD. WE'RE NOT DEPUTIES ACROSS THE BOARD. AND WITH THE STIPEND BUILT IN, I MEAN, IT'S JUST I DON'T I DON'T THINK THEY CAN BE THE SAME AND ACTUALLY EXPECT THE SAME WORK PERFORMANCE OUT OF THAT PERSON.

IT'S AN UNFAIR BALANCE WHEN YOU'RE REQUIRING ONE TO DO THE EXACT SAME JOB AS THE OTHER.

BUT I'M GOING TO PAY YOU ABOUT 10,000 LESS OR $6,000. WHAT YOU WOULD WHAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN HERE, BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING, IS A, A REEVALUATION OF THE, OF THE ROLE OR THE, THE JOB. JOB TITLE. IT WOULD YOU WOULD BASICALLY NEED TO MOVE THOSE TO A THREE TO, TO JUSTIFY IT, YOU

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I THOUGHT YOU WERE DONE. BUT NO, I AGREE WITH YOU. AND WE'VE ALSO WE'VE ALSO SOMEWHAT CREATED A PRECEDENT. WE'VE BEEN VERY HESITANT TO ELIMINATE A POSITION AND THEN DISTRIBUTE THAT SALARY TO OTHER PEOPLE. I MEAN, IF WE WERE IF WE WERE A COUNTY WHERE WE WEREN'T GROWING, THAT THAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE. BUT MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH THIS IS AND AS I SAID IN THE BUDGET PROPOSAL, THERE IS A NET REDUCTION OF A POSITION. BUT COMING IN, IT REALLY WORRIES ME TO ELIMINATE TWO POSITIONS OUT OF THE BUDGET AND RAISE THE THE SALARIES USING THAT MONEY, BECAUSE THEN WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK. I MEAN, IT COULD BE NEXT YEAR. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW WE NEED ANOTHER PERSON AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MATCH THESE SALARIES OR CUT THESE PAYS TO PAY FOR THAT POSITION. AND I THAT'S JUST NOT A POSITION THAT WE HAVE TYPICALLY TAKEN IN THIS COURT. AND WE'VE HAD THAT REQUEST FROM OTHER OFFICES. WELL, CAN I, YOU KNOW, CAN I STRIKE OUT THIS EMPLOYEE AND DISTRIBUTE THAT SALARY AMONG OTHER POSITIONS? AND THE ANSWER IS USUALLY BEEN NO. THEY'RE THEY'RE STRANGE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT COME UP. AND I KNOW WE'VE DONE DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT YEAH, WE'VE BEEN PUT IN POSITIONS TO HAVE TO DO THINGS IN THAT ROOM, YOU KNOW, MID YEAR. YES. FOR AND, AND TRY TO FIND SOMETHING BECAUSE THERE WAS JUST NO MONEY. SO YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU. YEAH. THAT WELL, WITH THAT SAID, I MEAN THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO IS, YOU KNOW, ALSO CREATE SOMETHING THAT WOULD CREATE LONGEVITY WITH THESE EMPLOYEES, NOT NECESSARILY A NAME OR ANYTHING WITH IT, BUT JUST A EMPLOYEE NUMBER, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO USE. BUT YEAH, I THINK THE BETTER WE CAN PAY THEM. AND IF I HAVE THE BUDGET TO DO THAT, THAT CREATES THAT LONGEVITY AND KEEPS THEM THERE AND KEEPS THEM FROM LEAVING. SO WE DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING. ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES NEED MORE. WE GET IT. YEAH. BUT IT'S A AND I KNOW WE'VE ALWAYS EVERY YEAR, WE ALWAYS TRY TO GET EVERYBODY MORE. SURE. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TRIED EVERYTHING WE COULD DO IN OUR OFFICE TO CUT THE BUDGET ON, YOU KNOW, EXPENDITURES THROUGH OFFICE SUPPLIES AND EVERYTHING. AND WE'RE ABLE TO FIND MONEY TO HELP IN OTHER AREAS. SO WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO STRIVE TO DO THAT NO MATTER WHAT. YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE HAVE TO ORDER LIKE WE DO BULK AND, AND BE ABLE TO STACK THAT. WELL, YOUR, YOUR FINDINGS HERE, IF NOTHING ELSE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT IS DECIDED

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AND IT'S A BIGGER PICTURE. WE'RE HAVING TO LOOK. I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S SIDE OF IT, TOO. AND. I'VE. I'VE BEEN COMING TO THESE FOR A LONG TIME.

GRANTED, THEY'RE NOT WEEK LONG BUDGET HEARINGS ANYMORE, BUT. AND I MADE A COMMENT TO CONSTABLE WILEY EARLIER, I DON'T REMEMBER EVER ONE BEING THIS TYPE. I REALLY DON'T IN ALL THE YEARS I'VE BEEN AROUND. NOW I'M SEEING OTHER THINGS THAT I DIDN'T SEE FROM OVER THERE. BUT WE'VE SEEN THEM, HAVEN'T WE, LARRY? BUT BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. BUT FROM THAT SIDE, YOU DON'T SEE IT AS MUCH. RIGHT. BUT I KNOW SINCE I'VE BEEN SITTING OVER HERE, THERE'S NOT BEEN ONE THIS CLOSE. BUT I THINK EVEN ON THIS SIDE WE HAVE TO BE OPEN MINDED TO THE THE NEEDS OF ANY OTHER OFFICE, AND I AM, BUT ULTIMATELY I, I STILL YOU GOTTA FIGHT FOR YOUR EMPLOYEES. YEAH. YOU GOTTA FIGHT FOR YOUR EMPLOYEES. I ONLY HAVE ONE TO RUN. I DON'T KNOW ANYONE ELSE'S BUDGET. I DON'T KNOW WHERE ANYONE ELSE COULD EVEN SAVE ANY MONEY ON THEIR EXPENDITURES OR ANYTHING ELSE. I CANNOT AND WILL NOT EVER SPEAK FOR SOMEONE ELSE. RIGHT? JUST US. I'LL COMMEND MR. KEATON. HE CAME IN AND HE SAT DOWN WITH ME, AND HE AND I HAD A CONVERSATION. AND I WON'T RUN THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS HE SAID IS EXACTLY WHAT I HOPE TO HEAR FROM EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL I TALKED TO, THAT HE WANTS TO HAVE THE BEST RUN OFFICE IN THE COUNTY. FANTASTIC. THAT'S WHO WE WANT IN OFFICES OR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE THE BEST IN THE COUNTY. WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BUMP ALONG AND GO ALONG TO GET ALONG. WE WANT ALL OF US SHOULD BE IN COMPETITION WITH ONE ANOTHER TO SET THE GOLD STANDARD FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT. AND THAT MEANS YOU SHOULD BE HERE ADVOCATING FOR YOUR FOLKS, JUST LIKE COMMISSIONER WHITE SAID. AND THEN WE HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ROLE. YOU KNOW, THEY SAY WHERE YOU STAND ON AN ISSUE DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU SIT AT THE TABLE. AND THAT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE, THAT WE AND WE WILL HAVE THE BEST OFFICE. CHALLENGE ACCEPTED. I KNOW YOU WOULD ACCEPT IT, SOMETHING THAT HASN'T REALLY LITTLE VALUE HERE, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM, I JUST WAS GLANCING AT SOME OF THIS BUDGET AND IT JUST TRIGGERED A. WE GOT AN INCREASE ON THE MILEAGE REIMBURSEMENT.

EVERYBODY AWARE OF THAT? YEAH. OKAY. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I IT JUST KIND OF TRIGGERED THAT THOUGHT. I SAW SOMETHING COME ACROSS THE OTHER DAY. IRS HAS SENT SOMETHING. I GUESS IT CAME DOWN. AND THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE GOT A PLAN FOR THAT WASN'T EXPECTED, YOU KNOW.

YEAH. OKAY. WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I THINK THAT COMPLETES MY REQUEST. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, MR. KEATON. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. SO WHAT IS THE THAT OTHER THAN I THINK WE'RE WAITING ON SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AND WE MAY COME BACK AFTER LUNCH TO HANDLE THAT ITEM. BUT WHILE WE'RE ON IT, THE FOR HIM, WHAT'S THE COURT'S POSITION ON THE CHIEF DEPUTY IN THAT OFFICE THAT THAT'S I KNOW THAT WAS FLAGGED. I HAVE I HAVE A HARD TIME GIVING A $10,000 RAISE AT ONE TIME, I JUST DO.

YEAH. I MEAN, I COULDN'T AGREE MORE. AND, AND I MEAN, IN WHAT HE PRESENTED WAS 84,000. SO I

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THE FIRST PAGE ON THE INSIDE HAS HIS KIND OF HIS NEW ORG CHART. AND THAT LOOKS DIFFERENT.

HE'S HE'S TRYING TO CHANGE HOW THEY MANAGE THEIR OFFICE. THAT IS ENTIRELY WITHIN HIS DISCRETION AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. AND PART OF THAT INCLUDED REMOVING SOME SUPERVISOR POSITIONS AND CREATING SOME LEAD CLERK POSITIONS. SO THERE WAS SOME SHIFTING AROUND IN THE WAY THAT RESPONSIBILITY IS ALLOCATED, ADOPTING THAT, GOING WITH THAT.

THAT DOES RESULT IN A ONE POSITION REDUCTION IN THAT OFFICE, BUT THAT MONEY IS NOT DIVIDED OUT AMONG THE OTHER EMPLOYEES. THEY IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, THAT MONEY IS JUST A REDUCTION OF A POSITION. AND THEN WE IMPLEMENT THE CLERK PLAN THAT'S BEING DONE COUNTYWIDE. IT'S JUST CUTTING FLUFF IS ALL THAT IS. IT IS, YOU KNOW, PUT THAT BACK IN THE GENERAL FUND. HIS HIS ADDITIONAL REQUEST IS TO CUT A SECOND POSITION AND THEN DISTRIBUTE THOSE FUNDS AMONG HIS EMPLOYEES TO SET THEM A STEP AHEAD OF THE CLERK PLAN, WHICH IS I DON'T SUPPORT. I'LL TELL YOU ANOTHER FEAR I HAVE BY DOING THIS, AND I KNOW HE. I WISHED HE WOULD HAVE STAYED. SO IT WASN'T LIKE I WAS TALKING BEHIND HIS BACK, BUT HE. HE WENT IN THERE FOR THREE MONTHS AND CAME UP WITH THIS. MY BIG. MY FEAR IS IS SOMETHING THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THAT HE DIDN'T SEE IN THAT THREE MONTHS HAPPENS. AND THEN HE COMES BACK AND SAYS, HEY, THIS ISN'T GOING TO WORK. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ADD ALL THIS BACK IN. AND IF I MEAN, THEN IT'S TOO LATE. YEAH, YEAH, IT'S THEN WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO COVER IT. AND Y'ALL HAVE ALL SAT ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE ONE YEAR OR ANOTHER. AND PROBABLY EVERY YEAR WE HAVE ASKED THAT QUESTION, OKAY, DEPARTMENT HEAD OR ELECTED OFFICIAL, YOU'VE ASKED FOR TWO POSITIONS OR YOU'VE ASKED FOR THREE POSITIONS. WHICH ONE DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO GET BY? LET'S ADD THAT ONE AND SEE HOW IT IS. SEE HOW IT WORKS. GIVE IT A YEAR TO SEE, YOU KNOW, GET THE POSITION FILLED. GET IT FULLY IMPLEMENTED. TRY OUT YOUR NEW WAY OF DOING THINGS AND THEN COME BACK. AND IF YOU NEED THAT, THAT SECOND POSITION NEXT YEAR, ASK AGAIN. BUT LET'S FOCUS ON ONE. I THINK THAT'S JUST MY FEAR. A LOT CAN HAPPEN IN A YEAR. THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN THE THREE MONTHS. RIGHT? I THINK WE HAVE THAT SAME. AND THAT'S A THAT'S A MAJOR THAT'S A MAJOR CHANGE TO AN OFFICE. YES. BUT HOW DOES THE COURT FEEL? I THINK THE CURRENT SALARY ON THAT CHIEF DEPUTY WAS 76 AND SOME CHANGE 76. 114 IF WE RAISED IT TO 80 EVEN PLUS COST OF LIVING IS THAT. AND THEN REEVALUATE NEXT YEAR, IS THAT I'M OKAY WITH THAT. WELL, THAT THAT PUTS YOU AT ABOUT WHAT THE OTHER ONES ARE. YEAH.

THAT THAT PUTS IT. BUT DO WE NEED TO CHANGE THE CLASSIFICATION IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT? YEAH. WITH THAT CHANGE. NO, THAT'S THAT'S WITHIN THERE. AS YOU MOVE UP THE GRADES, THE GRADES GET FARTHER SPREAD AND OKAY. AND THEN SO HOW DOES THAT COMPUTE TO ALL THAT WE HAVE WORKED ON PRIOR FOR THOSE LEVEL TWO OR LEVEL THREE? NO, THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT. OKAY. YEAH. AND JUST JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHAT I, WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING IS WE KEEP WHAT'S IN THE, IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, WHICH IS NOT THIS PRESENTATION.

IT IS IMPLEMENTING THE, THE CLERK PLAN ACROSS THE BOARD. OKAY. AND THEN, HOWEVER, MY, MY PRESENTATION INCLUDED A $10,000 INCREASE FOR THAT DEPUTY. AND THIS WOULD LIMIT IT TO $3,500 INCREASE. OKAY. SO IT'S YEAH, A FAIRLY SMALL MOVE DOWNWARD. I JUST WASN'T SURE WHAT IF IT WAS CURRENT OR IN THE NEW BUDGET. YEAH. YES. IN THE IN THE PROPOSAL, NOT IN NOT IN THIS PROPOSAL BUT IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET. YES. ALL RIGHT. GOOD ENOUGH. THAT'LL THAT'LL BUMP IT UP A LITTLE. YOU KNOW ALMOST 4000 IS GETTING ABOUT THE SAME AS WHAT THESE CLERK TWOS AND THREES THAT THAT'S IN IN THAT DEAL. I'VE GOT TO ASK THE QUESTION APRIL. YOU'RE HOW ARE

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BUT 110%. I DO WHOLEHEARTEDLY BELIEVE THAT THEIR CHIEF DEPUTY POSITION. OKAY. WELL, RECOGNIZING YOUR OFFICE AND THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES. I JUST WANTED YOUR OPINION BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU STANDING OUT THERE. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? OR OTHERS, YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON HERE. SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I'LL COMMEND MISS LONG AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL RECALL, BUT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF BUDGETS, SHE DID SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT RESTRUCTURING WITHIN HER OFFICE. YOU USED TO HAVE TWO CHIEF DEPUTIES, IS THAT RIGHT? AND MOVED TO ONE CHIEF DEPUTY AND MORE SUPERVISORS. IT HAPPENS WITH EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL COME IN. YOU HAVE A VISION FOR AN OFFICE, AND WE TRY TO SUPPORT THAT WITHIN REASON. BUT JUST I KNOW SHE'S DONE BIG THINGS AND THIS WILL BE FOUR YEARS OF BEING THERE. SO AGAIN, I APPRECIATE IT. LOOKS LIKE WE GOT OUR LOOKS LIKE WE GOT BACK. MR. WOODLEY'S REQUEST IS THAT I WAS ABOUT TO BREAK FOR LUNCH, BUT IF YOU'RE HERE AND READY, WE'LL WE'LL MOVE INTO IT. I SHOULD HAVE MADE THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU LEFT, BUT COULD YOU MAKE THE NUMBERS A LITTLE BIGGER? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THIS PAPER CAME OUT OF MY BUDGET. KILLED A TREE. SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE AUDITOR THERE. INTERGOVERNMENTAL TRANSFER. IS THAT THE. IT'S EVEN COLOR CODED. IT'S LIKE SHE'S WORKED WITH OUR COMMISSIONERS COURT BEFORE. WAS COLOR CODED TOO EASY. HE JUST GOT HERE. HE CAN'T SAY THAT. ALL OF US. I ASKED HER TO DOUBLE COLOR CODE IT WHEN I WENT UP. PICTURES? YEAH. CARTOON. IT HELPS FOR US VISUAL PEOPLE. SO I'LL MAKE THAT NOTE FOR NEXT YEAR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS. NO PROBLEM.

YOU KNOW, WE WE FREQUENTLY SAY I THINK EVERY YEAR IT COMES UP AND AND WE REITERATE WHEN WE'RE MAKING FLASH DECISIONS FROM THE DAIS, IT'S ALWAYS CHALLENGING. THERE'S ALWAYS THINGS THAT GET MISSED. AND THEN WE ASK YOU TO GO MAKE SOME HURRIED UPGRADES OR CHANGES TO THIS PRESENTATION.

SO WE APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. I KNOW THAT'S THAT'S HARD AND HARDER THAN IT SEEMS SOMETIMES.

SO WE WE APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU PUT IN AND ANYTHING I CAN DO TO HELP. ALL RIGHT. GOOD.

CAN WE JUST GO THROUGH THE NEW REQUEST AND THEN, JUDGE, CAN YOU TELL US IF THOSE NEW REQUESTS ARE IN AND OUT OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. SO THE PERSONNEL REQUESTS, THE THREE YELLOW LINES. THE INCREASE FOR A LIEUTENANT IS NOT CURRENTLY BUDGETED WITHIN THE PROPOSED BUDGET. OKAY. THE OTHER TWO POSITIONS, THE OPEN RECORDS CLERK AND THE PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS CLERK ARE IN, BUT THEY ARE IN WITHIN THE CLERK READJUSTMENT PLAN AT $47,000 EACH FOR A CLERK, TOO. SO THEY ARE IN AT A SLIGHTLY LOWER NUMBER THAN THE REQUESTED NUMBER. THE CELL PHONE ALLOWANCE ALLOWANCE FOR THE LIEUTENANT IS ATTACHED TO THAT LIEUTENANT POSITION THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY IN THE BUDGET, AND SO THAT IS NOT IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET EITHER. ON THE TOOLS, EQUIPMENT AND SUPPLIES. AND MISS KNOWLES, IF I MISS SOMETHING, YELL AT ME BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF LINES AND I'M GOING TO DO MY BEST TO REMEMBER. BUT I BELIEVE ALL OF THESE ITEMS OTHER THAN. YES, OKAY. I BELIEVE ALL OF THESE ITEMS ON THIS PAGE ARE INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET. SO THOSE NEW ITEMS ARE THE XP INSTRUCTOR SUIT, THE FOUR MOBILE ID DEVICES. SORRY, IT'S A CREDENCE THREE DEVICE, BUT THERE'S FOUR DEVICES AND A CRITICAL FORCE MULTIPLIER ADVANCED AIM LASER, TWO OF THOSE THOSE THREE ITEMS ARE INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET AS IT WAS PRESENTED WEDNESDAY. SO THE ONLY TWO ITEMS ON PAGE ONE WERE THE $26,000 INCREASE FOR LIEUTENANT PAY, AND THEN A CELL PHONE ALLOWANCE FOR THAT LIEUTENANT PAY. OKAY. THESE THESE

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ON PAGE TWO, THIS $1,200 ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE ADDITIONAL LIEUTENANT, THAT IS THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET BECAUSE, AGAIN, IT ATTACHES TO A PERSONNEL REQUEST THAT IS NOT FUNDED. THERE. THE. LET ME SEE. YEAH. EVERYTHING THAT'S ON PAGE TWO OTHER THAN THAT ITEM IS CURRENTLY INCLUDED WITHIN THE THE PROPOSED BUDGET. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THE LARGEST OF THOSE ITEMS. SO WE HAVE $37,817 FOR THE AXON BODY WEARABLE CAMERAS THAT BODY CAMS. AND WHILE THOSE ARE NEW ITEMS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THOSE ARE THOSE REPLACING BROKEN BODY CAMS OR THOSE INCREASING THE NUMBER. WHAT WHAT IS THE NATURE OF THAT INCREASE? NOT IN THIS LINE. THIS LINE. WE ARE ASKING FOR THESE BODY CAMERAS FOR THE TRANSPORT TRANSPORT OFFICERS OVER AT THE JAIL. SO THANK YOU.

SO THAT OKAY, THAT IS NEW THAT THEY ARE NOT CURRENTLY EQUIPPED WITH BODY CAMS. IS THAT THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. BUT THOSE ARE INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED. THEY ARE. YES THEY ARE. WE WE WE

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THAT WAS ATTACHED WHEN WE WERE ASKING FOR THE NEW POSITION. AND I'M SITTING BACK THERE THINKING SINCE SINCE I WOULD BE USING AN EXISTING POSITION ON THAT, THEY'RE ALREADY RECEIVING THAT ALLOWANCE. SO WE COULD ACTUALLY REMOVE THAT PART. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH, WE THAT IS IT'S NOT CURRENTLY INCLUDED, BUT THAT IS GOOD TO KNOW THAT IF, IF SOMETHING CHANGES THAT THAT ONE DOESN'T NEED TO COME BACK IN. OKAY. SO THESE THIS NEXT SET UNDER OTHER EQUIPMENT REPAIR, ALL OF THOSE THAT ARE CODED YELLOW HAVE HAVE BEEN INCLUDED. IS THAT WHAT YOU.

YES, SIR. OKAY. AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL AMMUNITION, ALL OF THOSE ARE CURRENTLY INCLUDED.

AND AS YOU'LL SEE, THE BULK OF THAT INCREASE IS REPLACING OBSOLETE TASERS. THE AMMUNITION ON THOSE EXPIRE AND THEN CAN'T BE CARRIED ANY LONGER. SO THAT IS IT'S ONE OF THE GREEN LINES, BUT THAT IS THE BULK OF THE INCREASE THERE. WE DID NOT ASK FOR A REDUCTION ON AMMUNITION COSTS FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. AND THEN THE THE DNA COLD CASE. CORRECT. ALSO THAT'S INCLUDED THAT IS CURRENTLY INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET. AND THEN OVER HERE ON THE TECHNOLOGY OR SOFTWARE IN THE NEXT PAGE FOR THE SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTIONS. YES, SIR. SO THESE ITEMS YES. ALL OF THESE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET AS WELL. I WILL COMMENT I, I DIDN'T REALIZE THE AXON AI ITEM WAS A NEW ITEM, SO WE MAY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT PRODUCT IS. WE HAVE WE HAVE A LOT OF CONTRACTS WITH AXON AND THAT. I MISS THAT IN MY. I THINK IF I'M CORRECT, CAP THAT AI ASSISTANT. ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU SAID WOULD INTERPRET ON SCENE? I BELIEVE THAT'S I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT LACK OF A BETTER TERM, JUST PHONE CARD, SIM CARD, WHATEVER THEY WERE FOR DIFFERENT PROVIDERS. YEAH. TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE CONNECTABILITY FOR ALL OF OUR OFFICERS IN THE FIELD. YES, THAT'S DOWN HERE SOMEWHERE. WAS THAT IN OR OUT? THAT WAS THAT'S IN. OKAY. SO YEAH, THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED YELLOW HERE. YELLOW MEANS NEW. IT DOESN'T MEAN NOT IN THE BUDGET THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET AS WELL. THE BUDGET THAT I PRESENTED IT IS INCLUDED THERE. THE ONLY ITEMS ON THIS PAGE THREE THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED. IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE EQUIPMENT CAPITAL AT THE END, I BELIEVE WHAT WE HAVE BUDGETED IS THE CRIME SCENE VEHICLE TO BE PURCHASED OUT OF A SPECIAL FUND, THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT FUND, THE. THERE IS NOT MONEY SET ASIDE FOR THE GATES OR ELECTRICITY AT THE PARKING LOT AT THE S O. ALTHOUGH THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR. AT A LATER DATE FOR FUNDS TO BE USED FROM THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT WELL. AND WE CAN CHANGE THE. THE TOP LINE TOO, BECAUSE NONE OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BUY OUT OF THIS YEAR'S. YES. SO THAT THAT NUMBER DOESN'T MATCH WHAT'S IN THE WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET. BUT THE REQUEST IS IN THERE AND IT'S FUNDED. SO THE VEHICLES ARE ALWAYS COMPLICATED AND IT ALWAYS RESULTS IN MORE MEETINGS THAN SHOULD THAN IT SHOULD WITH THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THEM.

BUT THE VEHICLES AS THEY SIT AS WHAT WE APPROVED THIS MORNING. NINE UNITS WILL BE PURCHASED TODAY OR AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT OUT OF THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT FUND TO THE TUNE OF $450,000 OR SO. WE WILL BUDGET A TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT FUND. OKAY, OF THAT SAME DOLLAR AMOUNT TO TAKE EFFECT ON OCTOBER 1ST TO REIMBURSE THAT FUND FOR THE COST WASH, AND THEN THE OTHER $500,000 FOR THE EXPENSE FOR THE VEHICLES, WHICH END UP GOING MOSTLY TOWARD UPFIT, IS BUDGETED IN A SEPARATE FUND FOR SB 22 BECAUSE THEY THEY TRACK THAT SEPARATELY. SO THE BUDGET LOOKS DIFFERENT ON THE VEHICLE REQUEST, BUT IT DOES PURCHASE AND OUTFIT 11 VEHICLES, PLUS THE ADDITIONAL UPFIT FOR A 2026 VEHICLE THAT'S LISTED HERE AND THE CRIME SCENE VEHICLE.

ALTHOUGH THE CRIME SCENE VEHICLE IS CURRENTLY BUDGETED AS A PURCHASE OUT OF THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT FUND WITHOUT RE WITHOUT REPLENISHING THAT FUND, SO THAT THAT ONE DOES USE FUND BALANCE FROM THAT FUND TO MAKE THAT PURCHASE. BUT AGAIN, THE ONLY TWO ITEMS THAT ARE NOT PROVIDED FOR AT ALL ON THE THIRD PAGE ARE THE GATES AND ELECTRICITY FOR THE PARKING LOT. THIS LET'S GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THIS AI ASSISTANT.

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AND IF THEY'RE OUT ON A SCENE AND THEY'RE HAVING ANY TYPE OF CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY THAT SPEAKS A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE, IT WILL ACTUALLY INTERPRET IN REAL TIME THE CONVERSATION BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN PEOPLE. SO IT'S I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THE, THE DEMOS ON IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I'M BEING TOLD THAT IT'S SOME PRETTY GOOD SOFTWARE. I'M SURE WE CAN DO THAT RESEARCH, BUT I'M NOT SURE. IT'S BASICALLY A TRANSLATION INSTRUMENT. IT'S BASICALLY A TRANSLATION INSTRUMENT. YES, SIR. I BELIEVE THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN THAT. I KNOW THAT THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT THAT PIQUED OUR INTEREST ON IT. AND THEN THIS $80,000 EXXON FLEET DOWN HERE. WHAT WHAT IS THAT? THE EXXON FLEETWOOD UNDER 22. OH I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. I WAS JUST SAYING IT'S UNDER THE EQUIPMENT CAPITAL LINE. YEAH. $80,000 WORTH. I THINK THAT'S THE CAMERA SYSTEMS IN THERE. IS THAT THE ONE THAT SHOWS LIKE 22, 2022? YES, SIR. I BELIEVE 11 OF THOSE WERE FOR THE VEHICLES WERE REQUESTING. AND THEN THE OTHER 11 WERE FOR VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE THAT DO NOT HAVE ANY, ANY KIND OF UNITS IN THEM, ANY KIND OF MOBILE VIDEO. AND THOSE ARE OVER IN OUR TRANSPORT VEHICLES AT THE JAIL. AND THEY DECIDED IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO BE ABLE TO RECORD WHEN THEY'RE DOING THESE TRANSPORTS AND EVERYTHING. THAT'S WHAT ONE OF THESE OTHERS WERE. OLD BODY CAM THAT. OKAY? AND I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE. I THINK TRANSPORT OUGHT TO HAVE CAMERAS TOO. YEAH. OH YEAH. PROBLEM WITH THAT. THERE AGAIN, IT'S AN INSURANCE POLICY AGAINST THE COUNTY. I ALWAYS THOUGHT A CPS INVESTIGATION. SHOULD I OPEN THAT CAN OF WORMS IN HERE. BACK TO THAT THAT AI THING. AND IT'S JUST OUT OF MY CURIOSITY. IS IT SINCE IT'S AI, THEN IF IT'S LET'S SAY THIS PERSON IS SPEAKING SPANISH AND THIS DEPUTY DOESN'T SPEAK SPANISH, DOES IT? DOES IT ANSWER BACK IN SPANISH? YEAH, MY, MY TALK BACK TO THE PERSON. MY UNDERSTANDING IS AGAIN, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE DEMO ON IT, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT IT TRANSLATES IT IN REAL TIME AS THEY'RE HAVING THE CONVERSATION. FOR, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, LIKE AVAILABLE COMMERCIALLY, NOT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. IF YOU HAVE AN IPHONE THAT'S NEW ENOUGH AND THE APPLE EARBUDS, YOU CAN LIKE, THAT'S A THING. YOU CAN HAVE YOUR PHONE OUT AND IT'LL DO LIVE TRANSLATION THROUGH YOUR EARBUDS, AND THEN YOU TALK BACK AND YOUR PHONE WILL SPEAK SPANISH. SO THAT MAKES SENSE THAT THAT'S INTEGRATING THAT INTO THE BODY CAMS. IT'S PRETTY AMAZING. AND IT'S A LITTLE CREEPY. BUT THAT, YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE CREEPY SEEMS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMERCIALS THAT I SEE. I DON'T, I'VE NOT DONE IT MYSELF, BUT I HEAR THAT'S OUT THERE. SURE. THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT SPANISH. IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, PARDON MY FRIENDS.

PARDON MY BONJOUR. YEAH. YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT PAGE THERE. YEAH. I'M READY TO TALK ABOUT.

WELL HANG ON, MY THOUGHT IS THE GATES IN THE ELECTRICITY IS A PRETTY LARGE TICKET ITEM. IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD PULL OUT AND LOOK AT? HE ALREADY HAS IT. IT'S PULLED OUT TO BE EXAMINED LATER. AND I'LL SAY IN MY MIND, IT WAS ONE OF THE LOWER PRIORITY THINGS. IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT IMPORTANT, IT'S MORE OF A CONVENIENCE ITEM, BUT IT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A SEPARATE REQUEST LATER ON TO BE PAID FOR FROM THE CAPITAL. HAVE WE HAD ANY VANDALISM OR ANY THREATS OR ANY ISSUES OVER THERE AS OF YET? AS FAR AS THAT PARKING LOT IS CONCERNED, WE HAVEN'T, BUT WE'RE NOT REALLY UTILIZING IT AS MUCH AS WE SHOULD. THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE OVER THERE AT THE MOMENT IS WE HAVE A BUNCH OF CARS THAT WE HAVE DECOMMISSIONED, AND THEY'RE READY TO GO OVER TO THE CELL LINE. WE HAVE IN THE PAST WHERE WE PREVIOUSLY KEPT OUR CARS, PEOPLE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND EVERYTHING COME OVER, AND WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH THEM BEING TAMPERED WITH. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE, SINCE WE PUT THEM OVER IN THAT OTHER PARKING LOT. IT IS CURRENTLY FENCED. THIS IS TO ADD THE GATE TO THE. YEAH, I'M FAMILIAR. WHAT BUT WHAT I WAS GOING TO WHAT I WAS WILLING TO OFFER HERE. YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT WHAT YOU WANT, BUT JUST TO KEEP SOMETHING ACROSS THERE. I'VE GOT FLOOD GATES THAT WE'VE GOT BUILT THAT WE COULD INSTALL THERE JUST

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YOU DON'T HAVE CAMERAS OUT THERE YET. RIGHT. BUT JUST TO SECURE IT A LITTLE BETTER, I THINK WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT'S NOT WHAT THEY WANT OR WHAT YOU WANT, BUT BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S OF INTEREST, I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO DO IT, BUT WHATEVER. Y'ALL TALK ABOUT IT, IF IT TAKES A LITTLE WHILE, IT'S PROBABLY OKAY. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL GOING THROUGH THAT REMODEL OVER THERE AS WELL. AND I DO KNOW THAT SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS ARE UTILIZING THAT DURING THE DAYTIME TO PARK OVER THERE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO, BUT I ALSO KNOW WE RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM ONE OF THE CORPORALS OVER IN CID RECENTLY BECAUSE WHERE WE WHERE WE HOUSE A LOT OF OUR VEHICLES THAT WE TAKE IN AS EVIDENCE IS BASICALLY OUT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE JAIL, OR IT MIGHT BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE JAIL. BUT ANYWAYS, IT'S IT'S, IT'S NOT A PAVED AREA IN ANY WAY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND THERE'S, THERE'S TALL GRASS AND THERE'S SNAKES AND EVERYTHING ELSE OVER IN THAT AREA. AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT THE SOFTWARE THAT WE USE NOW, WHENEVER THEY, THEY, THEY PUT THOSE VEHICLES OVER THERE. IT HAS A PLACE WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY TAKE AND MARK CERTAIN PARKING SPACES AND HAVE THAT, THAT PARTICULAR PART OF THE PARKING LOT BLOCKED OFF AND SAY, THIS VEHICLE IS IN SPACE NUMBER, SUCH AND SUCH, WHICH WE CAN'T DO OVER THERE. AND SO THAT'S PART OF IT AS WELL. ONCE WE DO GET THAT DONE, TO BE ABLE TO TRANSITION SOME OF THAT INTO OUR EVIDENCE STORAGE AS WELL. WELL, I RECOGNIZE THE CONVENIENCE OF AN ELECTRIC GATE, YOU KNOW, PLUS THAT STOPPING ON KILPATRICK, THERE IS NOT THE IDEAL THING TO DO WHILE YOU GET OUT AND OPEN A MANUAL GATE. WELL, BUT IT'S PRETTY HEAVY TOO. YEAH. WELL, BUT YOU KNOW, JUST A LIGHTWEIGHT CHAIN LINK GATE ON A HINGE. JUST SOMETHING TO SECURE THAT. RIGHT. WHAT I'M SAYING, IT'D BE AN EASY FIX. THE, THE ONES THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE AS A PERMANENT THING, THEY WOULD BE VERY LARGE. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THE DEAL. SO THAT'S WHY THEY WERE LOOKING AT PUTTING AN ACTUAL DEAL ON. I'M I'M FINE WITH DELAYING THAT. I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. I DON'T REMEMBER THAT FENCE COMING FOR APPROVAL. I DON'T RECALL THAT EVER. EVEN I DON'T JUST CALL THAT BEING DISCUSSED AT ALL. WELL, WE BUILT IT OURSELVES. THEY BUILT IT. THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT BUILT THAT IN HOUSE. WE READY TO TALK ABOUT JAIL? YES, SIR. SO WITH THE JAIL BEGINNING WITH PERSONNEL, WHAT'S CURRENTLY INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS ONE JAILER POSITION. THIS INCLUDES A REQUEST FOR SIX POSITIONS. AND WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT YESTERDAY. THE. PROPOSED BUDGET DOES NOT INCLUDE THE INCREASE FOR THE LIEUTENANT SALARIES. THE PROPOSED BUDGET DOES INCLUDE THE CORPORAL STIPENDS AND CELL PHONE STIPENDS THAT WERE THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED YELLOW HERE. SO THOSE ARE THE THE ONLY TWO ITEMS ON WELL, TWO ITEMS. THE. ON PAGE ONE, THE ITEMS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED ARE FIVE ADDITIONAL JAILER POSITIONS AND PAY INCREASES FOR THREE LIEUTENANTS. ON PAGE TWO. WHAT WE INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET. SO THERE'S UNDER BUILDING PROPERTY REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE, I BELIEVE THE NUMBER THAT WE INCLUDED WAS $900,000 IN THAT BUDGET, WHICH IS A LITTLE MORE THAN WAS BUDGETED OR EXPENDED THIS YEAR. AND THEN THEY HAVE MOVED A COUPLE OF PROJECTS FORWARD THIS YEAR. SO THAT DOES THAT INCLUDED A PIECE OF THE INFLATION INCREASE, BUT NOT ALL OF THAT. BUT THAT DID NOT SPECIFICALLY BUDGET FOR ANY OF THOSE OTHER FOUR PROJECTS, EPOXY OR CAMERAS. AND WHAT WHAT WE HAD REQUESTED AS PART OF THAT PROPOSAL IS KIND OF A MULTI TIERED PLAN OF DO WHAT YOU CAN WITHIN YOUR EXISTING BUDGET. IF YOU CAN'T WITHIN YOUR EXISTING BUDGET, DO WHAT YOU CAN WITHIN COMMISSARY, IF THERE'S ANY AVAILABLE FOR SOME OF THESE ITEMS THAT IMPACT. INMATE COMFORT. AND I THINK CAMERA AND EPOXY AND SOME OF THE ITEMS IN CAPITAL PROBABLY QUALIFY FOR THAT AND THEN COME BACK TO THE COURT. AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT WITHIN THE BUDGET YEAR NEXT YEAR USING

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THE. LET'S SEE, THE PROPOSED BUDGET INCLUDES ZERO. IN THAT LINE, THE REQUESTED IS NEARLY HALF $1 MILLION. HOWEVER, WE DID TALK ABOUT CONCERN ABOUT THAT HANDICAP VAN AT 100 000.

AND THEN AGAIN, THE REQUEST WAS THE SAME THING. DO WHAT IS POSSIBLE WITHIN THE EXISTING BUDGET. SOME OF THESE ITEMS WE DISCUSSED YESTERDAY OF POTENTIALLY LIKE, DO YOU NEED TO REPLACE BOTH THE GENERATORS AT THE SAME TIME, ALL THE AC UNITS AT THE SAME TIME? SO THOSE THE SAME, THE SAME TIER OF REQUEST, DO WHAT YOU CAN WITHIN YOUR BUDGET. IF YOU CAN'T WITHIN YOUR BUDGET, USE COMMISSARY. AND IF YOU CAN'T WITHIN COMMISSARY, COME BACK AND WE HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND THAT CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ITEMS. I WILL SAY THE C, B, A UNITS, THOSE ARE INCLUDED. THAT'S A SEPARATE LINE. THAT'S EQUIPMENT NON CAP. AND THAT THAT IS INCLUDED WITHIN THE PROPOSED BUDGET. SO IT'S SORRY I'M MAKING NOTES AS WE TALK HERE. IT'S THE DRYERS THE GENERATORS AND THE A C S ON EQUIPMENT CAPITAL. AND THEN THE EPOXY AND CAMERAS UNDER BUILDING REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY FULLY FUNDED WITHIN THE PROPOSED BUDGET WITHOUT COMING BACK TO THE COURT AND REQUESTING MONEY FROM A SEPARATE FUND. AND GEL MEDICAL GEL MEDICAL, THE ONLY ITEM WELL, THERE'S TWO YELLOW ITEMS. THE MEDICAL SUPPLIES AT THE BOTTOM ARE INCLUDED WITHIN THE PROPOSED BUDGET. THE ONLY ITEM THAT IS NOT INCLUDED WITHIN THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS THE PART TIME MENTAL HEALTH NURSE PRACTITIONER AT 100 $101,000 A YEAR. OKAY. GETTING BACK OVER TO THE OTHER PAGE TO THAT HANDICAPPED VAN, DID DIDN'T WE NOT MENTION MAYBE TRYING TO WORK SOMETHING OUT WITH THE SAW? MAYBE IT HAD HANDICAPPED VANS? I'D BE WILLING TO BET WE WORKED SOMETHING OUT IN AN INTERLOCAL OR SOMETHING WITH LASALLE IF WE NEEDED. I WOULD RATHER THAN INVEST IN $100,000, I WOULD BE CURIOUS IF CITY COUNTY TRANSPORTATION EVEN HAD A VEHICLE THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE. THEY'VE. THEY'VE GOT HANDICAP EQUIPPED VEHICLES.

YEAH. YOU KNOW, WE'RE A PARTNER IN THAT. AND YEAH, WE ARE. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE SOME SOMETHING SOMEWHERE FOR SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE USED FOR 1 OR 2 INMATES. THAT'S A PRETTY SIZABLE EXPENSE. AND HOW FREQUENT IS THAT? I DON'T KNOW, I THINK CAPTAIN GORDY SAID YESTERDAY THAT IT WAS HE HAD 1 OR 2 CURRENTLY IN THE JAIL OUT OF 950 THAT NEEDED TO UTILIZE. AND SO RIGHT NOW THEY'VE GOT A. HOWEVER, THOSE OFTEN THOSE FOLKS GO TO COURT PROBABLY ONCE A MONTH OR SO. THEY'VE GOT TO ARRANGE ALTERNATE TRANSPORTATION OR WITH SOMEBODY INTO A VEHICLE. THAT'S SOMETHING YOU DON'T NEED. DO YOU NEED IT? BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO DEPRECIATE OR JUST SIT THERE MOST LIKELY. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF INVESTMENT TO JUST HAVE STANDING BY. SO I AGREE WITH YOU, LARRY, TOO MUCH.

JUDGE BRANDT FROM CAREFLIGHT HAD MADE MENTION SEVERAL TIMES OF A SERVICE HERE IN JOHNSON COUNTY THAT THEY USE FOR NURSING HOME TRANSPORTS, NON-EMERGENCY, THAT KIND OF THING. SO HE WILL BE IN COURT ON MONDAY. THAT MAY BE SOMETHING HE CAN PROVIDE US A LEAD ON. THANK YOU, MR. ANDERSON. I THINK THAT'D BE GREAT. I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSPORTING INMATES, WHICH IS DIFFERENT, REQUIRES SECURITY, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT OKAY. YEAH, I SHARE THAT CONCERN ABOUT IT. GOOD THOUGHT THOUGH. YEAH, YEAH YEAH. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK WE NEED TO SHAKE THE TREE AND SEE WHAT WE CAN FIND. YEAH. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S CURRENTLY INCLUDED WITHIN THE PROPOSAL. IF WE NEED TO ADD OR SUBTRACT ANYTHING, NOW IS THE TIME TO DO THAT. AND I'VE CERTAINLY SAID BEFORE I DON'T NOBODY STEPS ON MY TOES BY DRAWING DIFFERENT CONCLUSIONS THAN I DO. BUT I AGAIN, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL PUTTING THIS TOGETHER AND THEN RUNNING THIS VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. WE NEED TO HAVE A CLEAR

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THAT'S VERY I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT IT APPEARED TO BE. THIS, THIS EXPLAINS IT A LOT BETTER. THANK YOU. YOU'RE VERY WELCOME. AND YOU GUYS. WE DIDN'T GET THIS FAR IN COMMITTEE, SO JUST JUST CAN'T REITERATE THAT ENOUGH. WE DIDN'T TRY TO BRING YOU SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN VETTED, SO WE DIDN'T. UNDERSTAND. BEEN THERE DONE THAT. DO WE WANT TO GO TO LUNCH SO WE CAN DISCUSS THIS? ALL RIGHT. I'VE GOT A RECOMMENDATION FROM A VERY WISE COMMISSIONER THAT WE BREAK.

EVERYBODY GO THINK ABOUT THINGS AND RECONVENE AT, LET'S SAY, 115, GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO TALK AND CRUNCH SOME NUMBERS, AND WE'LL COME BACK AND SEE WHERE THINGS STAND. AS OF RIGHT NOW, WHO ELSE DO WE HAVE ANY. THAT'S IT. WE'RE DONE. YEAH. WE ARE DONE WITH PRESENTATIONS. WE HAD 1 OR 2 MORE THAT WERE SCHEDULED. THEY CONTACTED AND SAID THEY LOOKING AT THE BUDGET AS A WHOLE, THEY KIND OF UNDERSTOOD WHERE WE WERE AND WITHDREW SOME REQUESTS. SO THOSE ARE OFF THE TABLE. FACILITIES ALSO WITHDREW THEIR REQUEST FOR A PART TIME CUSTODIAN AFTER THE PRESENTATION YESTERDAY. I THINK THAT WAS MR. SIBLEY EXPRESSED SOME WILLINGNESS TO MOVE ALONG WITH THE DIRECTION FROM THE COURT. AND WE'LL THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WHAT CHANGES THAT LOOKS LIKE. YES, YES. AND THAT'S A I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IF WE'RE CLEAR IN OUR EXPECTATIONS, THEN HE CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO MEET THOSE EXPECTATIONS. BUT IF WE GIVE HIM SOME VAGUE DIRECTIVE OF GO AND DO WELL, HE CAN'T READ OUR MIND, HE CAN'T READ OUR MINDS, AND HE'S GOING TO GET BEAT UP BY OFFICES AROUND THE COUNTY, POTENTIALLY.

WELL, HE NEEDS THE PROTECTION WHEN HE QUITS DUMPING THE TRASH CANS. I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AFTER WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE THE POSSIBILITY IF HE ON A PART TIME. AND THEN LAST NIGHT I THOUGHT, AND I KNOW WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE, IF THESE OTHER BUILDINGS AREN'T GOING TO COME ONLINE UNTIL LATER DOWN THE YEAR, HIRE THEM INSTEAD OF DOING A PART TIME, WHY NOT GO AHEAD AND DO THE POSITION, BUT JUST FUND IT FOR SIX MONTHS AT THE END OF THE YEAR? WHAT WOULD THAT BE? APRIL. MAY. JUNE. JULY. AUGUST. SEPTEMBER? YEAH, FUNDING FOR THE END OF THE YEAR, WHICH MEANS WE COULD BE ABLE TO HIRE SOMEBODY ONCE THOSE BUILDINGS COME ONLINE. YES. SO IT WOULD BE JUST ABOUT THE SAME DIFFERENCE. JUST TRYING TO GET A PART TIMER. THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE FOR US TO THINK ABOUT. AT LUNCH. WE, I, I'LL SAY I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. WE HAVE DONE IT BEFORE. WE DON'T HAVE A BUILDING COMING ONLINE MID-YEAR THIS YEAR, BUT NEXT YEAR, THAT IS PROBABLY SOMETHING WE NEED TO INCLUDE IN THE BUDGET, JUST AS A STARTING POINT, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE TAX OFFICE COME ONLINE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE DURING TAX TIME.

SO HOPEFULLY IF CONSTRUCTION GOES WELL AND WE'RE 18 MONTHS OUT FROM OPENING A TAX OFFICE, THEN WE'LL NEED A CUSTODIAN TO COME ONLINE AND FUND IT UNTIL WE YES. YEAH. WHERE HE WOULD BE ABLE TO START HIRING THAT EVEN IF YOU EVEN IF YOU FUND IT FOR SIX MONTHS, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE DURING TAX SEASON AND THEY DON'T MOVE OVER THERE UNTIL MAY OR JUNE. I MEAN, HE CAN GO AHEAD AND HIRE THEM AND THEY CAN FILL IN WHEREVER. BUT I JUST THAT WAS JUST YEAH. NO, IT WAS A GOOD THOUGHT. THERE'S YOUR WISE COMMISSIONER RIGHT THERE. HEY, A BUNCH OF WISE GUYS HERE. ALL RIGHT. YOU KNOW WHAT. LET'S LET'S GO AHEAD AND BREAK UNTIL 130 INSTEAD OF 115 BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND THEN TO HAVE SOME SOME MORE FINAL INFORMATION IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY. SO WE'RE GOING TO RECESS FOR LUNCH. IT'S 11. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. QUESTION. SO THIS MORNING YOU SAID WE WERE ABOUT 100,000 OVER AT THE CURRENT PROPOSED YOUR PROPOSED TAX RATE. SO THIS AFTERNOON WE'VE GOT TO COME UP WITH THAT. COME OUT WITH THAT $100,000 IN ORDER TO MATCH THAT UP. IS THAT IS THAT CLEAR. IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? SO DEPENDING HOW YOU SLICE THINGS AND WHAT WE DO WITH THE LEXIPOL, THAT DISCUSSION, WE'RE WORST CASE IF THAT ADDED $40,000 TO THE BUDGET AND THEN WE TOOK ANOTHER 8 OR 10 OR SO OUT WITH A SALARY ON THE DISTRICT CLERK, CHIEF DEPUTY, THEN WE'RE 135 SHORT. AND SO THAT, YEAH, WE CAN TALK ABOUT HOW WE GET THERE. I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A FEW THINGS WE CAN DO, BUT ABSOLUTELY EVERYBODY, WE CAN GET CREATIVE AND COME BACK AT LUNCH AND DISCUSS HOW TO GET THAT NUMBER TO ZERO THEM NUMBERS UP. THAT'S RIGHT. WE'LL HAVE A CLOSER NUMBER AFTER LUNCH. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARI

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